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Lopez: How America's churches are harboring criminals (A Promiscuous Love)
NATIONAL REVIEW ONLINE ^ | 3/15/2006 | Kathryn Jean Lopez, NATIONAL REVIEW ONLINE

Posted on 03/15/2006 4:41:32 AM PST by GarySpFc

On the corner of a busy road in a New York City suburb recently, I noticed a sign outside a small Christian church welcoming day laborers — an apt image for the state of immigration in the United States today.

The day laborers the church is welcoming are, most likely, illegal immigrants. We all know they're here and you may, like the churchmen, also know where. You may be one. You may employ one. You may even pass a group of illegal immigrants waiting for a day job on the way to your own job. Needless to say many illegal immigrants are good people just like you and me (in many cases just trying to care for their families) except for a problem that can't be overlooked: They're in the United States illegally.

While attending a meeting of some 30 pastors of independent Christian churches in Southern California, writer Christine A. Scheller of "Christianity Today" was told by one of the pastors that not only is his congregation 50-percent illegal, but that among the group assembled, "We have a lot of pastors who are illegal." The attitude Scheller encountered among pastors was almost completely accommodating to lawbreaking. A former Texas pastor actually compared churches providing a safe haven to illegal immigrants to the Jewish asylums of World War II. The analogy is ludicrous on more than one level. For one: If enforcement of immigration laws were a priority in the United States, the aforementioned church sign would not be so transparent and unapologetic. If government were actually policing immigration, that sign would be read as: "Policia, aqui!"

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Mexico; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: aliens; churches; harboringillegals; illegals; immigrantlist; immigration; mexico
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To: GarySpFc

Exodus 22: 21 "Do not mistreat an alien or oppress him, for you were aliens in Egypt.

Leviticus 19: 33 " 'When an alien lives with you in your land, do not mistreat him. 34 The alien living with you must be treated as one of your native-born. Love him as yourself, for you were aliens in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

Deuteronomy 14: 28 At the end of every three years, bring all the tithes of that year's produce and store it in your towns, 29 so that the Levites (who have no allotment or inheritance of their own) and the aliens, the fatherless and the widows who live in your towns may come and eat and be satisfied, and so that the LORD your God may bless you in all the work of your hands.

Deuteronomy 16: 13 Celebrate the Feast of Tabernacles for seven days after you have gathered the produce of your threshing floor and your winepress. 14 Be joyful at your Feast—you, your sons and daughters, your menservants and maidservants, and the Levites, the aliens, the fatherless and the widows who live in your towns.

Deuteronomy 24 14 “You shall not oppress a hired servant who is poor and needy, whether one of your brethren or one of the aliens who is in your land within your gates.

Ezekiel 47: 21 "You are to distribute this land among yourselves according to the tribes of Israel. 22 You are to allot it as an inheritance for yourselves and for the aliens who have settled among you and who have children. You are to consider them as native-born Israelites; along with you they are to be allotted an inheritance among the tribes of Israel. 23 In whatever tribe the alien settles, there you are to give him his inheritance," declares the Sovereign LORD.

Malachi 3: 5 "So I will come near to you for judgment. I will be quick to testify against sorcerers, adulterers and perjurers, against those who defraud laborers of their wages, who oppress the widows and the fatherless, and deprive aliens of justice, but do not fear me," says the LORD Almighty.


41 posted on 03/15/2006 9:39:19 AM PST by Raycpa
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To: ConsentofGoverned
why do you champion the illegals coming here let them live in the turd world paradise you seem to take offense with

Immigration should be enforced by law enforcement officials - not pastors.

Why would so called religious people harm their neighbors to provide for strangers??

Giving a stranger a seat in a pew or a hot meal injures no one.

And there is no distinction in the Gospel between "neighbors" and "strangers" - all men are our neighbors.

42 posted on 03/15/2006 9:45:20 AM PST by wideawake
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To: wideawake
Time spent in Indonesia, the Philippines, and Mexico made me understand how the US and the advanced western countries are a relatively small island of security and order in a vast alien ocean. While interesting places to explore and even work the basic culture is one that combines fatalism and violence in about equal measures to produce a social order in which the bottom line is 'if you aren't abusing someone then you are surely being abused'. That is a turd social order and one that I want kept as far from the US as possible. The masses of illegals flocking here recreate this social order as they gather in communities that resist assimilation and encourage predatory attitudes towards the host culture. In reality the illegal and the community they live in are parasites and we are the host organism. I surely do loath those who are daily helping this sort of parasite host relationship grow and expand.

The 'basic Christian communities' are perfect examples of agencies that enable the parasite host relationship. They exist in large measure to assist illegal immigration and their low profile only makes them a bigger problem in detecting.

The RC Church avoided being ensnared in the secular-Marxist network that the WCC perfectly mirrors for a number of decades. However, with the advent of the Vatican II culture and the rise of 'liberation theology' provided the vehicle to smuggle Marx in clerical garb into the seminary and the pulpit. The RC Church, not institutionally, but in large numbers of it's clergy were heavily involved in the Sandinista movement and diligently worked to bring communism to El Salvador. In the US similar clerics were, and with the Border Sanctuary movement, are still are busy
being quislings and enablers in the unarmed (so far) invasion of the US.

I have read the complete short article twice through and it certainly doesn't address some passing kindness to people who may be here illegally. It deals with groups wholly or in large part dedicated to encouraging and abetting illegal immigration. Or in the case of the RC church incorporating support of such activities into encouraged church behavior. (Cardinal Mahoney is certainly a prominent churchman and his comments basically say 'screw US statute law we are obeying a higher law and will help illegals when and how we wish.')

Somewhere you state you are for secure borders. Why you find the activities of these enablers of illegal immigration to be both hunky and dory is beyond me. We are probably stuck with the illegal population we have. No government is going to institute the kind of drag nets, mass incarceration, and forcible expulsion campaign that would be required to deport a large part of this group. But the border has to be shut tight and the ports of entry as well both for basic security and to choke off the flood of people that will bring the sort of violently dysfunctional social order they come from to much of the US. It's not hard to do, the sort of wall the Israelis are erecting along with sensors and UAV's backed up with a really well equipped and mobile border security force using a catch and expel immediately doctrine could shut the problem down in a few years. What is needed is the resolve to do it. The regular rank and file American will either pay the bill for this program or pay a much more painful bill for the social spawn of hell that the neo-marxists and the proponents of global open borders capitalism will generate.
43 posted on 03/15/2006 9:51:24 AM PST by robowombat
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To: miss marmelstein
Righteous Jews do not spell out the name of God. Maybe you should do some comparative religion courses before you get so nasty with other freepers.

Perhaps you should read his post to me before jumping so hard - he claimed that I was neither caring or a Christian because he didn't agree with my citing a passage from the Old testament, which didn't agree with his sensibilities. Do you have evidence he is a "righteous Jew"?

44 posted on 03/15/2006 10:40:37 AM PST by trebb ("I am the way... no one comes to the Father, but by me..." - Jesus in John 14:6 (RSV))
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To: robowombat; GarySpFc; All

http://www.usborderpatrol.com/borderframe87.htm
TODAY, we have nearly 11,000 criminals invading our country each and every night and the murder rate from them is over 18 dead each day and nothing is done.

And again, these millions of people flooding our southern border -- 11,000 a night -- are now being supported, and even funded, by al Qaeda and the Mexican drug cartels.

Crime is rampant throughout all of the countries south of our border. The murder rate for Mexico -- in Mexico -- is about 18 dead per 100,000. Yes, that is 18,000 people murdered every year inside Mexico -- a country with a 100 million population. The murder rate for the USA is about 4 per 100,000 -- a country with about 300 million people. So, yes, Mexico kills as more people than we do but they have one third the population so that really does mean that their citizens kill at a rate that is more than three times that of the people in the United States. Certainly, not everyone in Mexico is a murderer. But there is one truth to murder everywhere on earth:

Almost all murderers anywhere on earth are males between the ages of 15 and 34.

And this is where things get very interesting. About 98 of every 100 illegals crossing our border are Mexican males between the ages of 15 and 34.


45 posted on 03/15/2006 10:49:18 AM PST by WatchingInAmazement ("Nothing is more expensive than cheap labor," prof. Vernon Briggs, labor economist Cornell Un.)
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To: wideawake

Liberal churches are always attracted to people who are the most unlikely to attend their church. I call it "The Full Belly In Hell" syndrome.


46 posted on 03/15/2006 10:51:53 AM PST by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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To: wideawake
So a daylaborer looking for work is a "hostile invader"?

If he's an Aztlanista, yes.

Even if he's not, Scripture tells us to follow the laws of the land. Crossing into another country in violation of that country's laws contravenes that principle. So no matter how you slice it, they shouldn't be here.

You must not live in Southern California. If you did, there's no way you could fail to have noticed, and been outraged, by the wholesale destruction of American culture here over the last 30 years. Now, either we as a culture have a right to preserve ourselves, or we do not... which is it?

47 posted on 03/15/2006 10:52:20 AM PST by Rytwyng (...and the hurster says, less guvmint.)
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To: Raycpa

I am at my office, and do not have my resources here. I will answer your post later this evening.


48 posted on 03/15/2006 11:50:09 AM PST by GarySpFc (de oppresso liber)
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To: GarySpFc

I'm about ready to support taking the tax-emempt status away from any Church that gets into politics, on either side. Enough is enough.


49 posted on 03/15/2006 12:05:24 PM PST by SC33
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To: trebb

I was responding to your rude post that God was spelled God and not G-D. I have no idea whether the poster was a righteous Jew or not. I'd like to know what the problem with his spelling was.


50 posted on 03/15/2006 1:00:11 PM PST by miss marmelstein
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To: miss marmelstein
It wasn't merely the way he spelled God, it was the rudeness of his post and assumptions he tried to make about me. Are you the designated "keep people from saying something that might be offensive to others" person? If so, you need to go back and get on him too.

God Bless

51 posted on 03/15/2006 1:11:36 PM PST by trebb ("I am the way... no one comes to the Father, but by me..." - Jesus in John 14:6 (RSV))
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To: trebb

No, I'm not a self-appointed scold at all (at least I hope!) and I apologize if you think so. I just want to know why you think it's not kosher to spell God, G-d. That's all!


52 posted on 03/15/2006 1:17:07 PM PST by miss marmelstein
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To: GarySpFc

Let me guess. You are going to say that the bible also calls for obeying laws. When you do explain to me when its appropriate for Christians to change laws that are called immoral by God.


53 posted on 03/15/2006 1:37:29 PM PST by Raycpa
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To: miss marmelstein
The main reason I dislike spelling God as "G-d", is that it seems that it is most prevelant among those who are supposedly trying to keep from offending others by actually spelling it out. I had no idea that devout Jews were averse to it because of their religious mores. I was kind of raised Catholic and never really got it. I treid several other religions and still had trouble connecting. I finally came to my Saviour via a non-denominational Church that teaches the Bible and will not cave to society. I guess that makes me ignorant of most religions, but I'm getting pretty fluent in the book that forms the basis of many of them.

Have a great freeper day.

54 posted on 03/15/2006 1:39:03 PM PST by trebb ("I am the way... no one comes to the Father, but by me..." - Jesus in John 14:6 (RSV))
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To: robowombat
"when leftist clerics"

I refer to the problem as the "Jesuit Syndrome."

55 posted on 03/15/2006 1:44:59 PM PST by verity (The MSM is comprised of useless eaters)
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To: trebb

Thanks for your answer, Trebb. I appreciate it. I was raised a Catholic too but in the Northeast with lots of Jews as friends and companions. I only know the spelling of G-D in a Jewish context. You have a great day, too!


56 posted on 03/15/2006 2:15:20 PM PST by miss marmelstein
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To: wideawake

There is also the ancient commonlaw practice of "sanctuary" when considering criminals in a church.


57 posted on 03/15/2006 2:19:38 PM PST by Junior (Identical fecal matter, alternate diurnal period)
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To: Raycpa
Let me guess. You are going to say that the bible also calls for obeying laws. When you do explain to me when its appropriate for Christians to change laws that are called immoral by God.

No. I happen to have a doctorate in theology, and have contributed updates to two major Bible translations, NASB 1995 and ESV, and I can hardly be labeled a liberal. However, I have numerous resources at home, which are not available at my office.
58 posted on 03/15/2006 2:20:58 PM PST by GarySpFc (de oppresso liber)
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To: GarySpFc

Great, then when you explain the text doesn't really mean aliens as we know them please relate it to who Jesus indicates who our neighbor is.


59 posted on 03/15/2006 3:18:50 PM PST by Raycpa
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To: Raycpa
Baker's Evangelical Dictionary
of Biblical Theology

Foreigner [N] [E]

Person from a different racial, ethnic, and linguistic group as in contrast to a "native." Circumstances during biblical times often forced people to emigrate to another country, where they would become "resident aliens" (see Gen 19:9; Ruth 1:1). A less permanent settler was known as a "stranger" or "temporary resident." Sometimes the term "foreigner" is used to translate a Hebrew word that generally means an "outsider" from a different race, tribe, or family.

The Old Testament. The creation account records the first human residence in the garden of Eden. With the fall, humanity is exiled from God's immediate presence into a "foreign" land. This is the background to the important Old Testament theme of the promise of land.

After the judgment of the flood, the Book of Genesis records the Table of Nations (chap. 10), portraying the remarkable growth of the human community with its variety of racial, linguistic, and political divisions. The tower of Babel incident (11:1-9) is the reason for these divisions, as God confuses the language and disperses the human race. A divided humanity, alienated from God and from itself, is in desperate need of a home.

If the early history of the Bible ends with curse—the disintegration of humanity into many nations—the beginning of Israel's national history (chap. 12) commences with blessing as a family receives a divine pledge of land and a promise of progeny that will bless the alienated nations. Abram and his family, the founders of the Israelite nation, obeyed the call of God to emigrate to this land, leaving Mesopotamia to become resident aliens in Canaan (12:10; 20:1; 23:4). The patriarchs' lives were marked by a rootlessness, as the only land they actually received was a grave for Sarah, Abraham's wife (chap. 23). This pilgrim existence characterized early Israel (Exod 6:4), as the embryonic nation was shaped in Egypt, another foreign country (Exod 22:20; 23:9).

When Israel was constituted as a nation at Sinai (Exod 19-24), a concern for resident aliens was etched into the legal system. The alien peoples received special protection under the law (Exod 22:21; 23:9), and were even to be loved as native Israelites (Lev 19:34). Such protection was particularly necessary as immigrants would not have the social network of kinship relations for support during exigencies. Yet, although ancient Near Eastern law codes stressed protection for the widow and orphan, only Israel's contained legislation for the resident alien. This was probably due to the peculiar circumstances of her origin.

After Sinai and the wilderness wanderings, Israel received the gift of the promised land. In order to occupy it, however, she had to purge the land of its foreign population. Foreigners in this context represented hostile agents that would contaminate Israel and render her unholy before God. For the same reason, covenants and marriages with foreigners were forbidden. Paradoxically, only if her religion was pure could Israel be of help to foreigners (cf. Rahab, Ruth, Naaman, the widow of Zarepath). If Israel became sinful in the holy land, she would lose God's permanent presence, as he would become like a temporary resident (Jer 14:8).

And yet Israel's entire existence was bound up with being a blessing to foreigners (Gen 12:3). Some psalms envisioned the time when all nations would become subject to an Israelite king who would rule the world with justice. Solomon's prayer at the inauguration of the temple implied that it was to be a house of prayer for all peoples, as Israelite and foreigner could both pray to its Lord (1 Kings 8:41-43; cf. Isa 56:3-8). The prophets predicted that all nations would go up to Jerusalem to learn the Torah and depart changed people, no longer alienated from each other (Isa 2:1-4; Micah 4:1-5). There would be one humanity (Isa 19:23-25), speaking a purified language (Zep 3:9).

Although Israel received a residence in the promised land, she was reminded that the land was God's and that he allowed her to settle on it as a resident alien (Lev 25:23; cf. 1 Chron 29:15; Psalm 39:12; 119:19). Israel must wait for a true home.

The New Testament. By the time of the New Testament, Israel had become extremely exclusive, largely forgetting her mission to the nations. When the Messiah arrived, however, foreigners were present (Matt 2:1-12). During his ministry, he constantly interacted with them, indicating that God's love embraced the world (Luke 17:18; John 4 ). A Roman soldier pronounced a eulogy at his death (Luke 23:47). Death broke the hostile powers that caused human divisions (Eph 2:14-18). In Christ there was no longer any important racial, linguistic, or ethnic difference (Gal 3:26-29). Pentecost (Acts 2) reversed the judgment of the tower of Babel (Gen 11:1-9).

At the same time, there was the realization that while members of the church had their citizenship in heaven, they were resident aliens on earth (1 Peter 1:17; 2:11). Before the coming of the kingdom, they had to live a nomadic existence as strangers and pilgrims, much like the patriarchs of the Old Testament (Heb 11:9-16). They must live in hope and faith, praying for the invasion of the kingdom and waiting patiently for the gift of a new Canaan, a new Eden, where they can reside with their God (Rev. 21-22). Meanwhile the church must act by helping literal strangers and foreigners, remembering her own identity and God's love for the powerless (Matt 25:35,38,43,44). Hospitality (philoxenos, lit. love for the stranger) is to be a characteristic of the follower of Christ (1 Peter 4:9; cf. Rom 12:13; Heb 13:2).

Stephen G. Dempster

See also Nations, the

Bibliography. G. Ahlsträ , TDOT, 4:52-58; F. C. Fensham, JNES 21 (1962): 129-39; D. E. Gowan, Int 41 (1987): 341-53; D. Kellerman, TDOT, 2:439-49; B. J. Malina, Int 41 (1987): 354-67; G. C. Moucarry, Themelios 14 (1988): 17-20; R. Patterson, BSac 130 (1973): 223-34; H. E. von Waldrow, CBQ 32 (1970): 182-204.

60 posted on 03/15/2006 3:41:55 PM PST by Raycpa
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