To: Ichneumon
Okay, now we're getting somewhere. Explain Jesus of Nazareth then. If you ask me miracles are plenty of evidence for the existence of some supernatural being. There are more sources than just the new testament that indicate His miracles. Even you say that science is examining the effects and consequences of His actions. So, let me challenge you here: examine the evidence for Jesus. Like you said:
"What needs to be "observable" in science is not necessarily the thing or process being explored, but its consequences, its effects, its results -- the evidence of its existence and/or workings."
There is not a single figure in history who has had more impact on this earth. Deny Him, and you make a mockery of everything that you say. The evidence for Jesus outside of the Bible can be found in non-Christian sources such as:
The works of Josephus, Tacitus, Lucian, Mara Bar-Serapion, the Talmud, and Eusebius.
105 posted on
03/16/2006 10:50:40 AM PST by
conservative_crusader
(The voice of truth, tells me a different story. The voice of truth says do not be afraid.)
To: conservative_crusader
Okay, now we're getting somewhere. Explain Jesus of Nazareth then. If you ask me miracles are plenty of evidence for the existence of some supernatural being. There are more sources than just the new testament that indicate His miracles. Even you say that science is examining the effects and consequences of His actions. So, let me challenge you here: examine the evidence for Jesus. Like you said:
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"...people who promote this point-of-view point triumphantly to the fact that it cannot be absolutely, irrefutably disproven. However, this argument hinges upon the assumption that if something cannot be absolutely, irrefutably disproven, then it is actually a reasonable theory. It is an understatement to say that this is false, because nothing can be absolutely, irrefutably disproven. One might as well ask if we actually a bunch of talking fleas living in Santa Claus' pants and deluding ourselves into thinking we're human."
As today is Wednesday I felt it would be appropriate to use the god Odin, for whom the day was named, as another example.
"Odin is a god of war and death, but also the god of poetry and wisdom. He hung for nine days, pierced by his own spear, on the world tree. Here he learned nine powerful songs, and eighteen runes. Odin can make the dead speak to question the wisest amongst them."
Examine the evidence for the Northern Europe god Odin. He is also written about quite extensively. Odin - Jesus. The only knowledge we have of them is written in books, by men, with falable memories, and objectives of there own, known or unknown.
That is where science comes in. "In science, a theory is an explanation that binds together various experimentally tested hypotheses to explain some fundamental aspect of nature. For an idea to qualify as a scientific theory, it must be established on the basis of a wide variety of scientific evidence. Its claims must be testable and it must propose experiments that can be replicated by other scientists."
107 posted on
03/16/2006 1:24:53 PM PST by
ufans
("Let no man glory in the greatness of his mind, but rather keep watch o'er his wits.")
To: conservative_crusader
The works of Josephus, Tacitus, Lucian, Mara Bar-Serapion, the Talmud, and Eusebius.Not that it has anything to do with the thread, but please show where these sources document Jesus' miracles.
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