Evolving doors: Students say they wouldn’t mind hearing both sides (Re Intelligent Design)

AP via News/Tribune ^ | 3-14-06 | kyle lowry

[JCEccles]

How did DNA begin? I want the fact of evolution that explains it--not the theory.

[CarolinaGuitarman]

"How did DNA begin? I want the fact of evolution that explains it--not the theory."

Evolution has never claimed to explain the origins of DNA, You need to look at abiogenesis for that.

[JCEccles]

So you agree that evolution isn't a fact?

Checkmate, chump.

[CarolinaGuitarman]

"o you agree that evolution isn't a fact?"

Um, no. Nothing I said even implies that. Chump.

[Sam Cree]

"Evolving doors: Students say they wouldn’t mind hearing both sides (Re Intelligent Design"

I can sympathize with that, but am not convinced that the inmates should be running the asylum.

[RightWhale]

Were humans created by some sort of intelligent designer, possibly a deity, or by did we evolve scientifically

A sizeable fraction believe that humans were created by another race of beings from another planet. We haven't yet begun to evolve scientifically, although with genetic engineering and cloning this may be about to start.

[JCEccles]

Darwinists can't begin to explain the origins of DNA, but without understanding that, they cannot begin to prove their thesis. DNA (and RNA) is everything. All life goes back to that fundamental question. And how did it happen in just a few billion years?

All they can do is scratch their heads and say, "Well, it must have happened, because we're here.'

Nice cogitating, Sherlock.

The darwinian faith claims remind me of the old Steve Martin routine, "How to be a millionaire and not pay taxes. First, get a million dollars . . . ."

They understand the "not pay taxes part" but they gloss over the "getting" part as if it were the least important question of all.

They are comical beyond belief. Or at least they would be if they weren't so successful in using the state to terrorize others and to shove their quasi-religious orthodoxy and and rabidly materialist BS down everyone else's throat.

[LouAvul]

You can do what?

You're rambling.

[CarolinaGuitarman]

"Darwinists can't begin to explain the origins of DNA..."

It's always been outside the theory. Germ theory doesn't explain the origins of germs; is it wrong?

"DNA (and RNA) is everything."

Evolutionary theory begins with the first imperfectly self-replicating organism. It cares not a wit about how it got there.

"Or at least they would be if they weren't so successful in using the state to terrorize others and to shove their quasi-religious orthodoxy and and rabidly materialist BS down everyone else's throat."

Words from a man who has lost the battle. Especially when he pings his post to... nobody.

[CarolinaGuitarman]

"You can do what?"

Provide evidence for evolution. You can't for creationism.

" You're rambling."

Only if you're illiterate.

[LouAvul]

"So you agree that evolution isn't a fact?"

Um, no. Nothing I said even implies that..

Checkmate. You're dancing around the issue. Produce the scientific, reproducible evidence that prooves atheistic evolution is a fact.

[CarolinaGuitarman]

" Checkmate."

We're not playing chess.

"You're dancing around the issue. Produce the scientific, reproducible evidence that prooves atheistic evolution is a fact."

There is no such thing as atheistic evolution.

[RunningWolf]

They say there is is no such thing as 'atheistic evolution' but all of their answers point to concepts as 'abiogenesis' and 'imperfect self replicator'

The whole cult and its adherents are dishonest to the core, no admission required from them for this observation.

Wolf

[CarolinaGuitarman]

"They say there is is no such thing as 'atheistic evolution' but all of their answers point to concepts as 'abiogenesis' and 'imperfect self replicator'"

Please explain how an imperfect self replicator is in any way atheistic. This should be good. :)

[RunningWolf]

Demanding sort the evos are, especially juxtaposed with the answers that do not meet muster, or instead they just flat run away from and bolt from the thread.

The threads are replete with the real and documented evidence.

Wolf

[CarolinaGuitarman]

"Demanding sort the evos are, especially juxtaposed with the answers that do not meet muster, or instead they just flat run away from and bolt from the thread.

The threads are replete with the real and documented evidence."

I'll accept that as, "I have no idea how the concept of an imperfect self-replicator has anything to do with atheism."

Your inability to even try to answer is noticed and noted, Mordo.

[conservative_crusader]

If you want to come right down to it, the creation of the universe has never been observed, and neither has macro-evolution. Neither meet the criteria of being observable and therefore fall outside the field of science.

[conservative_crusader]

Most religions agree on the point of there being a creator. Genesis won't be entering the curricula of public schools any time soon. What needs to be in public schools is the idea pertaining to the possible existence of some sort of designer. I have no quarrel with people claiming that the explanation of the universe is purely material. I just don't accept it. Respect my beliefs that there is a creator and I will respect yours that there is not. If you want to argue about it, shoot, just don't expect me to give up thirty seconds into the discussion.

[bvw]

Oh boy. Now the nuts want to pull differential calculus from our the schools because infinitesmals are not observable!

Only integral calculus from now on -- is that what you really want??!!

I want my kids to learn both sides! That's the honest way!

[conservative_crusader]

Okay... time for a challenge: invent a time machine and observe creation and macro-evolution. Bring back evidence.