Russia: Creationism Finds Support Among Young

Radio Free Europe ^ | 03/13/2006 | Claire Bigg

[orionblamblam]

I KNOW that life came from a Brahma... Heretic. Life came from the ancient Vorlon god Booji.

[freedumb2003]

There is a meaningles post if I ever saw one.

I suppose you also think that it is a valid reference point that the Biblical creation myth is "Truth?"

[tallhappy]

I'm afraid you are mistaken if you think all scientist are Darwinist tyrants.

Yes. We have a host of Darwinist tyrants here. For the most part they are not scientist and in general they are scientifically illiterate.

Like in the Soviet Union, the tyrants who force certain views usually are interested in that view for ulterior reasons.

[Bingo Jerry]

The fact that 99% of all scientists understand and embrace TToE is always ignored by CRIDers.

99% is conservative but I guess until they ask every single scientist we'll have to stick with that.

The fact that over 99% of scientists understand TToE as good science combined with the fact that over 99.9% of the people who reject TToE are not scientsts should be telling.

[tallhappy]

Not surprising. There must be some old Stalinists left over to attack the evolution supporters.

Weird comment. The Stalinists were evolution supporters as were/are all the Marxists.

[Bingo Jerry]

Like in the Soviet Union, the tyrants who force certain views usually are interested in that view for ulterior reasons.

So what do you suppose their ulterior motives are?

[freedumb2003]

*doh*

I didn't read the whole line.

LOL -- I actually like that pic :)

[Ed Hudgins]

Hudgins -- "Those who live by superstition lower themselves to the animal level and negate the very reason for freedom." -- Hudgins

Reply to Hudgins -- You infer those who disagree with you are "animals" who believe in "fairy tales" and you still can't see they tyranical nature of your ideology???

Hudgins reply -- I should say "lower animals." And since it is our minds, our rational capacity, our capacity for conceptual knowledge reached through a rational process, and our free will that allows us to exercise that capacity that distinguishes us as humans and separates us from lower animals, when we abrogate that rational approach to knowledge in favor of lame superstition, we DO turn our backs on those most wonderful attributes that we should celebrate, that are the glory of being human, for a self-imposed stupidity that is sickening to see.

My error: Since birds can't intentionally break their own wings and cattle can't intentionally refuse to graze and lions can't intentionally refuse to hunt, we are morally worse than lower animals when we refuse to think, refuse to exercise the means by which we survive and flourish.

[freedumb2003]

Yes. We have a host of Darwinist tyrants here. For the most part they are not scientist and in general they are scientifically illiterate.

Name one.

[tallhappy]

Conservatism means to examine cause and effect and react and plan accordingly. This has *always* meant to push superstition back, as the supernatural does not play well with cause and effect, and nor can superstition be demonstrated to have value.

No. But pushing back superstition has always been part and parcel of Marxist/Communist regimes. The Chinese were especially ruthless in this and millions were murdered for their belief in "the olds".

Incredible revisionism on this thread.

[microgood]

The fact that over 99% of scientists understand TToE as good science combined with the fact that over 99.9% of the people who reject TToE are not scientsts should be telling.

The good old argument from authority. Well, we also know 99% of all scientists believe the earth is warming due to CO2 emissions. And we know for a fact they are wrong about that. There is as much dogma in science as any other human endeavor. And evolution is one area where there is a mixture of science and dogma.

[tallhappy]

So what do you suppose their ulterior motives are?

Inculcating atheist belief system so as to be better controlled by the state. Theism can mean allegiance to or belief in an authority even higher than the state which was not to be accepted in communist states.

It's not a mystery, it's history.

[orionblamblam]

> Incredible revisionism on this thread.


Indeed, as your post just demonstrates. To state that studying cause and effect does not help wipe out superstition... revisionism on the order of Holocaust denial and ID.

[tallhappy]

You know who you are.

[orionblamblam]

> Inculcating atheist belief system so as to be better controlled by the state.

BWAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAA!!!!!

Good one, Mr. Kerry!!!

[tallhappy]

To state that studying cause and effect does not help wipe out superstition

I didn't state that.

Can you try to be intellectually honest? It doesn't hurt evolution or Darwinism to know that it was official dogma of communist states and they used it for their own purposes.

[orionblamblam]

> PM has an imaginary doctor friend who is a Creationist.

Many Creationists have imaginary friends. It's something of a defining feature.

[Bingo Jerry]

Inculcating atheist belief system so as to be better controlled by the state.

So you came to that conclusion despite the facts that:

a) Virtually every scientist accepts the basic tenants of ToE as true regardless of their religious beliefs

b) The majority of scientists and the majority of Biologists in the field are also religious.

c) Evolution is not contrary to the majority of theistic religious, mainly just Creationists.

In that light, you're assumption seems a bit off base, does it not? If not downright paranoid? (Or calculated rationalization to fill a hole in the argument).

[freedumb2003]

Name one time I have stated anything about science that is incorrect.

Now I need to find the FreepSpeak lexicon to properly frame your post...

[Ed Hudgins]

"But pushing back superstition has always been part and parcel of Marxist/Communist regimes. The Chinese were especially ruthless in this and millions were murdered for their belief in "the olds."

Not really. Marxism and communism ARE forms of superstition, not believed based on reason -- even though Marx called himself a 'scientific socialist' -- but on faith, just like Nazism. Marx denounced bourgeois logic, that is, the principles of reason and science as discovered by Aristotle and many other great thinkers.

Eric Hoffer's book "The True Believer" does a great job of showing how there's no fundamental difference between the religious and political true believer fanatic.