Posted on 03/11/2006 8:35:31 AM PST by SheLion
You still can't grasp the concept of public and private, can you?
Public property: That which is purchased and maintained by tax dollars for the benefit of all people. (Maintained by the state).
Private property: That which is not purchased or maintained by tax dollars and is for the benefit of the property owner. (Private business bought and maintained by the private business owner who will continue to pay taxes on his property.
"You still can't grasp the concept of public and private, can you?"
You incur extra responsibilities when you open your private property to the public.. And that's the way it is.
Yes...I do get it....Cannot get a WAIVER in NY State
Not YOU! That other guy. I just added your name because he was addressing his statement to you. So, in order for you to see what I wrote to him about it, I included your name also. :)
Yes...I do get it....Cannot get a WAIVER in NY State
Not YOU! That other guy. I just added your name because he was addressing his statement to you. So, in order for you to see what I wrote to him about it, I included your name also. :)
I had to read it twice...then I understood that you did not mean me...Thank You! :)
I am a Newbie! Ha Ha!
I know. hehe! Welcome to Free Republic!
THanks!!!!
Your answer does not go with your post. You're ok with making smoking illegal in places that you select. That is a nanny state.
"I believe you are defining "nanny state" incorrectly. Protecting the public from being harmed by other members of the public is one of the two key things government does."
Yes, in a way. Government, whether state or local or federal, is to protect the peaceful from the not so peaceful, the ones called criminals. But you, as a customer, are not forced to go to an establishment that allows smoking. Therefore, government does not need to protect you, you can do that yourself, but you are wanting government to save you from yourself. You want government to take your bias against smoking and make it law, that is the perfect definition of a nanny state. Don't like smoking, choose a restaurant or bar that does not allow it, but leave those who do their rights to allow it on their property. Why make business owners bend to your will? You're using government to enforce your beliefs.
"Smokers wish to be able to freely harm others. The government is preventing that."
Your line there is slightly wrong. It should read "smokers wish to be able to freely exercise their right to use a legal product. The government is preventing that." You make smokers sound like thugs on the street with guns who are out to get you. You need to take a serious look at your beliefs and come to grips with what you believe.....in government being a nanny that takes care of you and enforces your bias against others who may do some things that you don't like.
"The only reason this causes such an uproar is that almost all smokers are addicted and addicts tend to lose perspective when it comes to their addiction."
That is the first step the nanny state takes, demonize the criminals as mindless addicts that need to be saved. It's already happening outside of the tobacco issue. Now they are coming for your food, higher taxes on "low nutrition foods" and then the banning starts. What is after food? Perhaps it will be something you love, something you can't live without, but then when you begin to object, someone, somewhere, will remind you of your stance on smoking and inform you that you are getting what you asked for, a nanny state.
I ppreciate your answer and I'll read over it more carefully, but one thing leaped out...
"Your line there is slightly wrong. It should read "smokers wish to be able to freely exercise their right to use a legal product. The government is preventing that.""
The product is legal. To use an extreme comparison, a axe handle is legal until you use it such a way that it hurts people.
After this statement, I know that gondram does NOT get it.
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