Posted on 03/11/2006 8:35:31 AM PST by SheLion
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That is a horrible analogy. First off, anthrax is illegal for anyone to have, cigararettes are a legal product. "
I don't think that's the main difference... but in the context we are talking about smoking is not legal in more and more places.
Smoking has significanly dropped...yet asthma has skyrocketed...go figure...it is not from smokers
Do not put words in my mouth.
And like over eating and obesity, of course smoking isn't "good" for us. And just what IS safe today? Can you list 5 items for me that is "safe?"
Just this week, more then 3 cups of coffee is now a killer again. Next month, they will come back and say "Oh, actually coffee is rather good for us." I'm just sick and tired of bogus junk science coming from idiots with their own agenda's.
And I realize smoking isn't for everyone, but there are 55 million of us in the United States that really enjoy it and have smoked for a long time.
You cannot constantly blame one thing for all the ills of the world....I still go back to my previous...separate restaurants and tavern...have smoking one and non-smoking ones. The people who have a problem with that are obsessive.
OMG! Now I understand how you became so easily swayed! By reading a site by ASH???? Good grief!
That's like a DU forum. They have dedicated their lives to bashing and trashing smokers! I never read anything they publish. I would need to do so holding a barf bag.
6 BILLION PEOPLE WILL DIE!
DOCTORS ARE POWERLESS TO STOP IT!
Yes, it's a fact - within the next 120 years, every person alive in the world today will have died, and there is nothing that medical science can do about it.
Doctors are not Gods, despite what they may think. They will not, they cannot conquer death.
DEATH IS INEVITABLE !
Every person who smokes, is going to die
Every person who never smokes, is going to die
Every person who is "overweight", is going to die
Every person who is never "overweight", is going to die
Every person who uses illicit drugs, is going to die
Every person who never uses illicit drugs, is going to die
Every person who drinks alcohol, is going to die
Every person who never drinks alcohol, is going to die
Every person who fails to heed the advice of health advocates, is going to die
Every person who devotedly follows all the advice of health advocates, is going to die
Now the question comes - since we are all going to die, no matter what precautions we may take - is it justifiable for health advocates to force people to conform to certain lifestyles which those advocates claim will maximize the length of a person's life?
Death is inevitable, but health advocates such as the anti-smoking industry claim that they are justified in using punitive pressures of various kinds to force people to conform to their definition of "a healthy lifestyle".
My kid grew up in a smoking home and she never had asthma. The anti's sure have done a job on the minds of a lot of people out there. Pity.
They certainly have!
"Death is inevitable, but health advocates such as the anti-smoking industry claim that they are justified in using punitive pressures of various kinds to force people to conform to their definition of "a healthy lifestyle"."
Just to be clear I am not trying to force you into a healthy lifestyle - that's your choice.
I think it is a Great quote...no..it is not mine, but I like it and agree with it. Nevertheless, Smokers are "public" too....and a restaurant or tavern should again, be able to choose which they would like to have. A non-smoker sees a sign or license or such at the door, do not walk in...even though it is Public.
...you know, I'd be happy to quit smoking, just as soon as the tax bill to cover my yearly consumption are pro-rated to all the other non-smoking taxpayers out there.....
...revenue nuetral, fair's fair...
...you know, I'd be happy to quit smoking, just as soon as the tax bill to cover my yearly consumption are pro-rated to all the other non-smoking taxpayers out there.....
...revenue nuetral, fair's fair...
You know, I used to work for a comany that had a smoking lounge, complete with its own seperate air system. Some smoke nazi that worked there got management to remove the lounge and relegated all the smokers to the entrances where all the busy bodies complained that the were having to walk through smoke.
So lets recap here, shall we?
Company had an enclosed lounge (not big mind you) where smokers could go to light up indoors, with tables and chairs; workers who smoked could take their laptop, work related reading material, cup of coffee, and have a smoke and BE PRODUCTIVE at the same time! WOW! Nobody entering the building has to walk through smoke! What a concept!
Idiot non smoker comes along and eliminates the lounge; all smokers must now get on elevator, go down to first floor, out the entrance doors and have a smoke. NOT PRODUCTIVE AT ALL, and of course all the busybody non-smokers NOW HAVE TO WALK THROUGH SMOKE to enter the building.
Just one of those things that make you go: Hmmmmmmm....
It's a private business that is publically accessable, IF PROSPECTIVE CUSTOMERS CHOOSE TO PATRONIZE said establishment!
I don't know how things are were you live, but for me, if a business or place does NOT have an atomsphere that I find comfortable; I LEAVE, and/or CHOOSE NOT TO ENTER!
If for some reason you have had to endure an environment not to your liking; I suggest you call the police the next time someone puts a gun to your head and FORCES you to enter.
VERY CIVILIZED!!! (and logical!)
"Idiot non smoker comes along and eliminates the lounge; all smokers must now get on elevator, go down to first floor, out the entrance doors and have a smoke. NOT PRODUCTIVE AT ALL, and of course all the busybody non-smokers NOW HAVE TO WALK THROUGH SMOKE to enter the building."
that's horrible... what was the reasoning?
Not if it is a "Public" Smoking establishment.......People are not allowed to smoke in a "Public" Non-smoking establishment...
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