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Cultural Warmongers
The American Conservative ^ | March 13, 2006 | Patrick J. Buchanan

Posted on 03/08/2006 4:46:43 PM PST by Daralundy

Picking a fight with a faith 1.3 billion strong

If you wish to get along with a man, you do not insult his faith. And if you seek to persuade devout Muslims that al-Qaeda is our enemy, not Islam, you do not condone with silence insults to the faith of a billion people.

Understanding this, President Bush ceased to call the war on terror a “crusade.” Visiting a mosque, he removed his shoes. He has hosted White House gatherings for the breaking of the fast at the end of Ramadan. He sent Karen Hughes to the State Department to improve our dismal image in the Islamic world. He has declared more times than many of us care to recall, “Islam is a religion of peace.”

President Bush knows we are in a struggle for the hearts and minds of Islamic peoples, and if we are to win this struggle we must separate the Muslim monsters from the masses. For as that great American military mind Col. John Boyd defined it, strategy is the appending to oneself of as many centers of power as possible and isolating your enemy from as many centers of power as possible.

This is what makes the Mohammed cartoons so stupid and self-destructive. They have given Islamic extremists visible proof to show pious Muslims that the West relishes mocking what they hold most sacred: the prophet. They have united Muslim moderates with militants in common rage against us. They have added to the hatred of the West in the Islamic world as friends like King Abdullah of Jordan, Presidents Mubarak of Egypt and Karzai of Afghanistan, and Prime Minister Erdogan of Turkey warned us they would.

One wonders. Did the cynical Europeans learn nothing from the Salman Rushdie episode? Did they learn nothing from the firestorm that erupted in the Islamic world when Christian ministers in the United States, post-9/11, called Mohammed a “terrorist”?

Why then did they do this? Why did the Danish paper Jyllands-Posten publish cartoons it knew to be so blasphemous to Muslims? Why did Le Monde, France Soir, Die Welt, El Pais, Il Stampa republish them—on their front pages? If a European newsman was oblivious to the probable effect among Muslims of plastering a cartoon of Mohammed with a bomb in his turban on page one, he is too stupid to be an editor. But if he did know the near-certain effect of such an in-your-face provocation, why would he do it? Is this the reflexive secularist hostility of the Europress to all religious faiths on display here or something else?

And so we come to the heart of the matter. Why? What was the motive here? What is the game that is afoot? The rationale of the imams who ensured that all Muslims knew of the cartoons and their contents and called for demonstrations and assaults on Western consulates and embassies is evident. They hate us, and they wish to drive us out of the Middle East. But what propelled our own ideologues to prod U.S. editors to republish the cartoons in “solidarity” with the Europeans? Who pushed George W. Bush and Condi Rice not to condemn the cartoons but to “stand up” for the freedom to publish and defy any “intimidation” by the Islamic world?

Answer: our cultural warmongers, who seek the same goal as their cultural warmongers—to ignite a war of civilizations. Both want the “long war” of which the Pentagon speaks, the “World War IV” against “Islamofascism” that is the dream of neoconservatives and the nightmare of their countrymen.

As has been evident for some time, bin Laden and the neocons both seek the same thing: a fight to the finish, no matter how long, no matter how many invasions it takes, no matter how many lives are lost. For if peace were reached between the Islamic world and the West, even a cold peace with Iran and Syria, what would they do then?

As the provocations of Ahmadinejad are music to the ears of neocons, for they rule out dialogue and diplomacy, the escalation of the cartoon wars into an all-out culture war between Islam and the West has made their day. But it has also wiped out much of the goodwill that George W. Bush has sought to rebuild in the region.

As one explores the arguments of the provocateurs in the West for what they are doing, on inspection all appear hollow. “We believe in the First Amendment!” comes the blustery reply of journalists when asked why they published the cartoons. The First Amendment protected the right of Trent Lott to toast Strom Thurmond. But that did not save Lott from the savagery of the neocons who demanded and got his ouster as Senate majority leader. Yet which is the more egregious offense? To pay a birthday tribute to a century-old man who was once a segregationist or to insult deliberately the most revered figure in the faith of a billion people?

Daily, U.S. editors decline to publish ethnic slurs and obscene remarks and cartoons that might offend a race or religion. This is not censorship. It is editorial judgment. The motto of the New York Times, which declined to publish the offending cartoons, is “All the News That’s Fit to Print.”

Conservatives contend that Islamic nations tolerate cartoons and TV shows far more viciously anti-Semitic than these cartoons were anti-Islamic. They are right. But Western newspapers never publish such cartoons, first, because they are outrageous, second, because publication would cost them advertisers, readers, and maybe their jobs. Insulting Muslims and Mohammed is a less risky and less expensive hobby than insulting Judaism or Jews. Indeed, if you insult Islam, you can make out credentials as a moral hero.

Though State initially condemned the cartoons—“Inciting religious or ethnic hatreds in this manner is unacceptable”—the neocons rapidly re-seized control of the message. In hours, State was in retreat: “While we share the offense that Muslims have taken at these images, we at the same time vigorously defend the right of individuals to express points of view.” Of course we do. But do we believe freedom of the press was responsibly exercised when these idiot editors used it to incite a religious war?

And when it comes to press freedom, Europeans are world-class hypocrites. British historian David Irving has spent months in a prison in Vienna awaiting trial for two speeches he made 15 years ago. In Europe, skeptics and deniers of the Holocaust are fined and imprisoned with the enthusiastic endorsement of the press.

Unfortunately, Bush let slip an opportunity to show respect for the Islamic world and faith and, instead, let himself be intimidated into silently condoning an insult to both. Standing beside the King of Jordan, Bush denounced the violence the cartoons had ignited but declined to condemn the cartoons. Condi Rice denounced Iran and Syria for exploiting the rage over the cartoons but did not condemn the cause of that rage. If there is a double standard here, Bush is the guilty party. He rightly denounced Iran’s president for mocking the Holocaust but would not denounce the European press for mocking the prophet.

If Bush and Rice cannot muster the moral courage to condemn the insulting content of the cartoons, as well as the violence being promoted by anti-Western agitators and demagogues, our wars for democracy in the Middle East are in vain. For we can never win the friendship of these people if they believe our words of respect for their religion cover up a sneering contempt.


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To: konahawk
Ok, so, to me, it is a natural extension of the logic that follows from

I'm getting to the point where I agree that the moderate Muslims are of no help. However there has been an occasional brave one who speaks out. Their silence, which is deafening at times, could be related to fear and\or tacit approval;who the hell knows which? Their whole entire religion needs a true REFORMATION. I have little or no faith that will happen.

that it may eventually come down to

How can you say that nuking Mecca would "stop it today"? That would only enrage one hundred percent of the Muslims in the world and make this a thousand years MORE war. You are way too radical. Thank God people like you don't call the shots.

except that, one, no nuclear weapons are necessary, and two, there won't be any such thing as 1000 years of war. Let me explain.

If this is going be their backward, intolerant, submit or die culture (sans a Reformation, that, by the way, can only come from the Shii'te community that believes Koran is open to interpretation, as opposed to Sunni, which believe it is the last and final word of God), it only follows that they will not let us live in peace as long as we exist. In that case, drastic and radical things may come to pass. I pray it doesn't come to that. If you read my earlier post, you'll understand. "Nuking Mecca" is just a symbolic expression for ending Islam.

Yes. We have the capability to do so *and* not turn half the world into a radioactive wasteland. Can't be done ? Why not ? People just think that's impossible. Well it isn't. It's just unthinkable.

Far worse things have been done in past human history. As I said, it would not be something this generation would forgive itself. We'd have to live with that for the rest of our lives. But it appears that Islam is seriously threatening our very existence, and that they're seriously counting on us not having the stomach to destroy them.

They're a patient enemy, that uses demographics to undermine western culture and institutions. It took them only 20 years to, for example, appropriate Kosovo from Serbs. Chechnya ? Same deal. And they're just getting bolder and bolder (seen the cartoons deal?). What's next ? Autonomous province of Londonistan or south Paristan ?

Bottom line : if it comes between Dhimmitude and pressing the proverbial button, I chose the destruction of those who would enslave and/or kill my family. Even if it is a global faith. The judgement of history be damned. I pray we don't know such darkness. Fortunately, we're not there yet and there is yet a lot of hope. Reformation is the only way. One way or the other.
21 posted on 03/08/2006 6:16:43 PM PST by farlander (Strategery - sure beats liberalism!)
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To: Paloma_55

"The fact is, there are probably a LOT of nice, peaceful muslims in the world and slapping all of them across the face is not beneficial to anyone's position"
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Boy you sure know how to miss the point.

These so called "Nice" muslims, who share our western values, will see those cartoons for what they, complain if they feel the need, and let it go. They will not riot or demand censorship. They will also condemn, with no equivocation, those muslims who reacted with violence to the cartoons, and threatened the cartoonists lives.

Funny, I didn't see that outrage from nice muslims. They stayed quiet just like the Dhimmi press.

Comparing this situation to a basketball game is the height of foolishness. We are at war with forces equally insane and evil as Naziism. To appease it in any way, or equivocate that its really not that bad, or we are just as bad and mean, is just suicidal...as Europe found out in the 30's.

Buchanan loves all those who hate Jews. That has been clear for many years now. In my opinion, and the opinion of very many people, he is a closet Nazi. Not suprising that the Nazi's allied with muslims during ww2...the two political movements are two hateful peas in a pod.

Bring on more cartoons....and bring on the fight!!!!!


22 posted on 03/08/2006 6:17:01 PM PST by fizziwig (Democrats: so far off the path, so incredibly vicious, so sadly pathetic.)
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To: Daralundy

"...a cartoon of Mohammed with a bomb in his turban..."

Let someone disprove that Muslims bomb the innocent, blowing away their own asses in the process, then I'd agree that the "cartoon" is offensive. Until then, it's no cartoon; it's a factual depiction of their ways due to their beliefs in their Mohammed.


23 posted on 03/08/2006 6:35:16 PM PST by Birmingham Rain
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To: Daralundy
Pat Buchanan will defend to the death the right to free speech as long as it doesn't upset wacky Islamic radicals. He's a phony conservative in my view. To him, his own "conservative" Catholic views and traditional values are supposed to give him some supposed insight into the aggrieved feelings of equally traditional Muslims. There is at least one flaw in this. Traditionally Muslims and Christians fought each other. They're not kindred spirits; they're traditional enemies because Islam's Koran and its prophet accepted no other God and no other way of worshiping that God even if they both are the God of Abraham. It's simply not like the difference between, say, Greek Orthodox Christians and Protestant Fundamentalists. So on this subject, Pat proves himself a dolt and a philistine.
24 posted on 03/08/2006 6:35:24 PM PST by elhombrelibre (Sexual inadequacy leads to liberalism.)
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To: Daralundy

25 posted on 03/08/2006 6:47:07 PM PST by Tailgunner Joe
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To: farlander

"....and that they're seriously counting on us not having the stomach to destroy them."
That's a serious tactical blunder on their part because they have only a hint of how ferocious America and friends can be to defend our freedom. One more Sept.11 or worse will spell doom for the Islamofacists. There is no way they can win but it won't be easy for us on the other hand. Wish I was young so I could join the Military...


26 posted on 03/08/2006 7:04:55 PM PST by konahawk
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To: konahawk

Well, looking from the outside, it is certainly understandable how they got the idea we're weak. They're wrong, but I can see how years of liberal drivel could only embolden an enemy of that kind.

But yea, I believe they're making a very big mistake. Actually my understanding from various sources is that some parts of the islamist world now believe 9/11 to have been a great mistake that brought only disaster for their cause, to great detriment of islamist types. That doesn't mean they'll quit their quest, but only change their strategy. Look for them to concentrate more on friendly regimes in middle east.

In either case, I think the world is on the edge of deciding it's had enough of Islamic barbarism. One more event on the order of 9/11, god forbid WMD related, and the West might just demostrate to the islamic world why it renounced real War 60 years ago - it was too good at it.


27 posted on 03/08/2006 7:17:27 PM PST by farlander (Strategery - sure beats liberalism!)
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To: Daralundy
It would be better if throughout the West more respect was paid to legitimate sacred objects and symbols of major religions. Transgressive art that trades on blasphemy is like an insufferable child who can't control his impulses.

However, this respect has to be fairly and freely given. It is not permissible to let the threat of violence from Muslims be shown to be controlling expression. Besides, those original cartoons, while insulting, have a reasonable message which is to condemn killing of innocents by radicals in the name of Islam.

28 posted on 03/08/2006 7:50:17 PM PST by NutCrackerBoy
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To: Daralundy

You know I like Pat Buchanan, really I do. But is he really saying "Bush's fault!" over those stupid cartoons? Because that would be so stupid, I think I might have to not like him anymore.


29 posted on 03/08/2006 8:10:10 PM PST by jocon307 (The Silent Majority - silent no longer)
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To: Sir Francis Dashwood
"Screw Pat Buchanan... Nuke Mecca and stop it today..."

Luckily extremists such as yourself will NEVER be allowed to control the agenda of the WOT.

30 posted on 03/08/2006 8:25:34 PM PST by Hound of the Baskervilles ("Well, Watson, we seem to have fallen upon evil days.")
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To: Hound of the Baskervilles
Luckily extremists such as yourself will NEVER be allowed to control the agenda of the WOT.

You prefer extremists like the Islamofascists to control that agenda? Move to Eurabia...

Damn right I am an extremist when it comes to my own survival.

31 posted on 03/09/2006 2:00:20 AM PST by Sir Francis Dashwood (LET'S ROLL!)
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To: elhombrelibre
...even if they both are the God of Abraham.

That is just it... they are not. A black stone idol is not the God of Abraham or the one Moses wrote about...

32 posted on 03/09/2006 2:06:41 AM PST by Sir Francis Dashwood (LET'S ROLL!)
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To: Daralundy
Pat Buchanan is a fool.

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33 posted on 03/09/2006 2:08:33 AM PST by Lurker (Cuz I got one hand in my pocket and the other one is slapping a hippy.)
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To: Gordongekko909
What would you say to someone who burns American flags?

I would say they should wrap themselves in it first.

Or, pass a local fire ordinance and prosecute violators.

If you cannot yell “fire” in a crowded theater, you should not be allowed to light one either...

34 posted on 03/09/2006 2:38:05 AM PST by Sir Francis Dashwood (LET'S ROLL!)
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To: Daralundy
This is political correctness run amuck.

Smacks of the Church in the early middle ages before its Reformation.

When will Islam end its Inquisition ??


BUMP

36 posted on 03/09/2006 3:11:11 AM PST by capitalist229 (Keep Democrats out of our pockets and Republicans out of our bedrooms.)
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To: Sir Francis Dashwood
"You prefer extremists like the Islamofascists to control that agenda? Move to Eurabia... "

I prefer that people with common sense like Bush control the agenda. He has patience and temperance. He can handle the tension of a long war. Evidently the tension of dealing with imperfect but necessary allies is too much for you.

37 posted on 03/09/2006 12:42:45 PM PST by Hound of the Baskervilles ("Well, Watson, we seem to have fallen upon evil days.")
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To: Hound of the Baskervilles
I prefer that people with common sense like Bush control the agenda.

I supported George W. Bush for president of the United States when he was running for governor of Texas... and I would vote for his brother Jeb in a New York minute...

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Evidently the tension of dealing with imperfect but necessary allies is too much for you.

We don't need allies to beat them. Once Mecca is gone, Islam is over... end of story...

38 posted on 03/09/2006 6:11:50 PM PST by Sir Francis Dashwood (LET'S ROLL!)
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To: Sir Francis Dashwood
"Once Mecca is gone, Islam is over... end of story..."

Sort of like nuking the Vatican will make people stop being Catholic. Nuking the Washington Monument will make people stop being American? Nuking Jerusalem will make people stop being Christain, Jewish and Muslim?

40 posted on 03/09/2006 11:15:32 PM PST by Hound of the Baskervilles ("Well, Watson, we seem to have fallen upon evil days.")
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