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To: elfman2
EM2,
let's go over some of your fears.

You know the old adage, “Be careful what you ask for, you just might get it.”? Introduce divine intervention into science, and it’ll be endlessly ridiculed, student’s interring it into formulas, suggesting it while brain storming, excusing failure with it, etc… Go ahead a put it into Calculus while your at it.

If our adolescents were compelled to go to Purdue where you encountered evangelical excesses, I’d be more concerned, but wouldn’t conclude that two wrongs make a right.

Teaching non-science in science is like marrying homosexuals. It potentially allows anything in, blurring its methods through lack of standards and corrupting its results.


These are simply your own paranoid fears. As the saying goes "even paranoids are right sometimes". Unfortunately for you that is not the case here. You never provided any facts or evidence to back them up. Honestly evangilical excess at Purdue, that really is a little over the top.disingenuous as your “Warmest Regards”.

Who are you to doubt or judge my sincerity? My dear Elfman when I say Warmest Regards I do mean it, otherwise I would not bother replying to you at all, in that I have much better and more profitable things to do.

I would suggest that you spend some time studying just how complex life is and then delve into the problems of randomness accounting for the design of it. My original assertion is that entropy simple disallows complex information systems from forming on their own. No one here can dispute that. the best they can argue is that the earth is not a closed system. The reply is "So what" you still have to have a system in place to organize the energy. A simple anecdote is why does my Mercedes Benz rust? Well, it is entropy. Think about it.

Kindest Regards
Boiler Plate

198 posted on 03/12/2006 12:50:47 PM PST by Boiler Plate (Mom always said why be difficult, when with just a little more effort you can be impossible.)
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To: Boiler Plate
My original assertion is that entropy simple disallows complex information systems from forming on their own.

There is no scientific principle which suggests this.
201 posted on 03/12/2006 1:10:40 PM PST by Dimensio (http://angryflower.com/bobsqu.gif <-- required reading before you use your next apostrophe!)
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To: Boiler Plate
Okay, I see now what happened. You’re apparently unaware that evangelical has a non-religious definition. “#6 Characterized by ardent or crusading enthusiasm; zealous: an evangelical liberal.

In #131 you said the following,

“Most evolutionists spend an inordinate time trying to undermine religion [interesting that you then go on to call “me” paranoid] with so called "science". Mr Hawkins being a current example. My engineering and science professors at Purdue did not feel the need to be so constrained to so called "scientific" definitions such as the one you provided and it made for both good discussion and deep contemplation.”
You misunderstood #148 when I characterized your wanting ID in science to “two wrongs make a right” after your experience with leftist evangelism at Perdue. Evangelical meant zealous promotion of an ideology, not “Christian”. I tried to clarify that in #169 when you expressed confusion, but if you don’t know that evangelical has a secular definition, I guess that still wouldn’t mean anything. You apparently still though I was accusing Christians of evangelizing in college. On the contrary, Christians are underrepresented in Education. That should be adjusted, but not by teaching it as a science in science class.

Regarding your paranoia accusation being disingenuous, I guess I’m wrong. We’re just having a communication problem.. Regarding you being disingenuous otherwise, I’m aware of the common debate technique to repeat an awkwardly nice phrase in each post to throw off your opponent. But you post “warmest regards”, “sweet dreams” and call me “dear”, in posts accusing me of dishonesty, paranoia and cowardliness.

#160 Honestly you are trying to split hairs just to get your way.
#174 I don't know what or where you have studied, but your point is pure speculation at best and down right paranoid at worst.
#176 It was becoming more and more difficult trying to understand and respond to your unsubstantiated paranoia.
#194 Look if you feel that you can not talk about God in the science classroom because you are going to be made fun of, then OK,
#198 These are simply your own paranoid fears.

Discussion styles can either be reasonable and friendly or they can be condescending and insulting. If you repeatedly try both in the same posts, it’s either disingenuous or weird.

Regards,
Bill

207 posted on 03/12/2006 9:13:22 PM PST by elfman2
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