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You asserted a violation of the second law of thermo...I blew your @ss out of the water because you have no clue what the second law is. If you chose to say that life must exist everywhere that follows the second law...well, that is your problem. Explain away.

DK,
You may have mistook my ass for your nose. Please, if you are so informed about the the 2nd law, explain how thermal energy from the sun is used to organize information on the earth.

The violation of the 2nd law is this. 1st there is no such as a closed system. There are Always losses and gains in and out of any system. In regards to our solar system the are much greater losses than gains. 2nd in spite of those losses the solar system can be cosidered closed for modeling purposes which brings back to the problem of increasing entropy in that system. 3rd There is no mechanism outside of life itself for making use of the suns thermal energy in regards to organization. As demonstrated by the other planets there is a fine balance between too much and too little. However we are still left with the where did the first mechanism come from? Any suggestions?

Classic arguments for evo's and entropy are as snowflakes, hurricanes and crystals. Based on those arguments the 2nd law of thermodynamics don't apply to everyday occurrences. So then how did it get become a "Law" of science and not a suggestion of science?

Another classic argument was that if you gave typewriters to an infinite number of monkeys and allowed an infinite amount of time they would produce all the works of Shakespeare. Unfortunately this was tried in a finite fashion and in a very short time all the typewriters were destroyed. The end result was thus realized much sooner than Kingdom Come, that being energy (monkeys) into a system (typewriters) may in fact accelerate entropy.

Look DK if you really want to believe in evolution you go right ahead. Maybe you'll win the powerball too. It certainly can happen but, if you think your trivial answers even come close answering the questions then maybe you have a new career path on the lecture circuit.
Best Regards,
Boiler Plate

"In regards to our solar system the are much greater losses than gains. 2nd in spite of those losses the solar system can be cosidered closed for modeling purposes which brings back to the problem of increasing entropy in that system."

The relevant system isn't the solar system but the Earth. The Earth is not even CLOSE to being a closed system. Look out your window one day, and maybe you'll figure out why.

" Based on those arguments the 2nd law of thermodynamics don't apply to everyday occurrences."

How about an acorn becoming an oak tree? According to the creationist 2nd Law of thermodynamics, that's not possible either. In fact, according their rewrite of the Law, life isn't possible either.

You sound confused. Let's break it down.

Are you saying that light energy is incapable of converting simple molecules into more complex ones in the absence of biological machinery?

You may have mistook my ass for your nose. Please, if you are so informed about the the 2nd law, explain how thermal energy from the sun is used to organize information on the earth.

You might start by looking at green plants. Then tell me exactly how evolution is different, from a thermodynamic standpoint, than growth, metabolism and development.

The violation of the 2nd law is this. 1st there is no such as a closed system. There are Always losses and gains in and out of any system. In regards to our solar system the are much greater losses than gains. 2nd in spite of those losses the solar system can be cosidered closed for modeling purposes which brings back to the problem of increasing entropy in that system. 3rd There is no mechanism outside of life itself for making use of the suns thermal energy in regards to organization. As demonstrated by the other planets there is a fine balance between too much and too little. However we are still left with the where did the first mechanism come from? Any suggestions?<<

So you are saying life can organize itself using the sun for energy. Moron.

As for the rest, have you heard of a solar cell? I know it has the word cell in it, but it is not alive. The sun drives many non living processes on the earth.

DK,
You may have mistook my ass for your nose. Please, if you are so informed about the the 2nd law, explain how thermal energy from the sun is used to organize information on the earth.<<

I think you mistook your mouth for your @ss. You may want to be careful at dinner tonight.

I'm a big ToE fan? Get out more, read more. You certainly aren't paying attention here. Maybe you should start on less contentious threads...maybe discussing the Oscars...you know, get your feet wet. Then when you are really ready to argue come back when you are more prepared.

You'll get to look at pretty pictures...you like pretty pictures, right?

But in the mean time, when you're at dinner tonight, you should avoid hot peppers. Your @ss might not be ready for them.

DK