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BBC: PM attacked on Iraq 'God' remarks ~ Tony Blair attacked...
BBC ^ | Saturday, 4 March 2006, 13:57 GMT | staff

Posted on 03/04/2006 2:41:26 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach

PM attacked on Iraq 'God' remarks

Tony Blair


Anti-war campaigners have criticised Tony Blair after he suggested his decision to go to war in Iraq would ultimately be judged by God.

The prime minister told ITV1's Parkinson chat show: "If you believe in God (the judgement) is made by God."

Reg Keys, whose son was killed in Iraq, said Mr Blair was "using God as a get-out for total strategic failure" and his comments were "abhorrent".

But Labour MP Stephen Pound praised Mr Blair for being "painfully honest".

'Right thing'

Mr Blair told Michael Parkinson, in an interview being screened on Saturday, how he had struggled with his conscience when making decisions about a potential war in Iraq.

The British people have long appeared cautious, if not downright suspicious, of politicians who claim to be motivated by faith


PM Iraq war comments in full

"When you're faced with a decision like that, and some of those decisions have been very, very difficult, most of all because you know... there are people's lives... and, in some case, their death," he said.

"The only way you can take a decision like that is to try to do the right thing according to your conscience."

He said: "I think if you have faith about these things, then you realise that that judgement is made by other people... and if you believe in God, it's made by God as well."

When asked if he had prayed to God on the matter, he replied: "I don't want to go into that... you struggle with your own conscience about it... in the end, you do what you think is the right thing."

Red Caps killed

Mr Keys, who stood in the 2005 General Election as an anti-war candidate in Mr Blair's constituency of Sedgefield, said religion had nothing to do with the Iraq war.

"And the people who will be his judge is not God, it will be the families of the bereaved British soldiers and it will be the families of the bereaved innocent Iraqis who have all been slaughtered in this totally unnecessary conflict."

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Mr Keys' son, Lance Corporal Tom Keys, was one of six Red Caps killed by an Iraqi mob in Majar Al-Kabir in June 2003.

Mr Keys, the founder of campaign group Military Families Against The War, said going to war had been a "catastrophic political blunder".

He accused Mr Blair of "jumping on the same bandwagon" as US President George W Bush, who caused a storm after saying he decided to invade Iraq because he was on a "mission from God".

"Are we really seeing over 100 coffins coming back (to the UK) because God told him (Mr Blair) to go to war?"

Rose Gentle, whose son Gordon was killed in Basra in 2004, said: "A good Christian wouldn't be for this war.

"I'm actually quite disgusted by the comments. It's a joke."

'Reluctant'

Dr Evan Harris, a Liberal Democrat MP and honorary associate of the National Secular Society, said Mr Blair's comments were "bizarre" and warned against politicians making "references to deity" in public life.

BBC political correspondent Terry Stiasny said: "Tony Blair was very reluctant to actually say that he did pray to God about these decisions, and it's a reluctance we've often seen in Tony Blair in the past when it comes to talking about his own private religious faith...

"This is the nearest we've seen for some time of Tony Blair admitting a little bit that his actions were guided by his own private religious faith."

Mr Pound told BBC Two's Newsnight that Mr Blair was being "painfully honest" and, as he would not be seeking re-election as prime minister, his comments should be taken as apolitical.

"If this was anything to do with trying to appeal to the electorate, he wouldn't be so excruciatingly honest," he said.

"If he was trying to go that awful American route of guns, gods and gays and try to link politics to religion, then he wouldn't be doing it this way."

Addressing a union conference in London on Saturday, Mr Blair made a joke about the reaction to his remarks.

After saying he was sorry to have missed the opening address, the prime minister added: "I probably missed the prayers as well. That's a joke for the media."

Parkinson, ITV1, 2155 GMT on Saturday, 4 March




TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: iraq

1 posted on 03/04/2006 2:41:29 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
And this:

Blair 'prayed to God' over Iraq

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BBC NEWS

Blair 'prayed to God' over Iraq

Prime Minister Tony Blair has told how he prayed to God when deciding whether or not to send UK troops to Iraq.

Mr Blair answered "yes" when asked on ITV1 chat show Parkinson - to be screened on Saturday - if he had sought holy intervention on the issue.

"Of course, you struggle with your own conscience about it... and it's one of these situations that, I suppose, very few people ever find themselves in."

Anti-war campaigners attacked Mr Blair's comments as "a joke".

Mr Blair told show host Michael Parkinson: "In the end, there is a judgement that, I think if you have faith about these things, you realise that judgement is made by other people... and if you believe in God, it's made by God as well."

"When you're faced with a decision like that, some of those decisions have been very, very difficult, most of all because you know these are people's lives and, in some case, their deaths.

Politics is very hard to have a friendship in
Tony Blair

"The only way you can take a decision like that is to do the right thing according to your conscience."

Anti-war campaigner Rose Gentle, whose son Gordon died in Basra in 2004, said: "A good Christian wouldn't be for this war.

"I'm actually quite disgusted by the comments. It's a joke."

Dr Evan Harris, a Liberal Democrat MP and honorary associate of the National Secular Society, said the comments were "bizarre" and warned against politicians making "references to deity" in public life.

On the show, Mr Blair also talks about his most embarrassing prime ministerial moment.

When giving a press conference in France, he was asked if there were any French policies he would like to imitate.

Mr Blair, trying to answer in French, replied: "I desire your prime minister in many different positions."

Avoiding answers

Asked if he would serve a full term as prime minister, he said he was "getting on" with a busy programme and it had to be judged according to the work he had to do, rather than the time.

"If I sound embarrassed answering these questions it's because I've spent so long trying to avoid answering them," he said.

He was also asked about his relationship with Gordon Brown.

Parkinson said: "The trouble is, prime minister, you keep saying, 'Gordon and I are good pals' but no-one believes you."

Mr Blair answered: "Yeah, but politics is very hard to have a friendship in...

"There is only one top job and it's not an ignoble ambition to want it, so there's all those difficulties there.

Cannabis incident

"People have written that we are about to fall out drastically and go for each other for years and years and years, and whatever the difficulties, it's still a good partnership and one I'm very proud of.

"I'm proud to call him a friend and I always will be."

Elsewhere in the interview, Mr Blair recalled Labour's 1997 election victory. "People used to like me then," he said.

Mr Blair also talks about the first time his father-in-law, actor Tony Booth, - an old friend of Parkinson - visited his home after he and wife Cherie had married.

Mr Booth had asked if he could light a cannabis joint, Mr Blair said.

"I was thinking this is my father-in-law, surely this should be the other way around.

"I said no, incidentally."

Parkinson, ITV1, 2155 GMT on Saturday, 4 March


2 posted on 03/04/2006 2:44:09 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach (History is soon Forgotten,)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

These people who are so-called experts on the mind of God probably never opened the Bible in their life. If they read the first 6 books of the Old Testament, they will read how God commanded the Israelites to COMPLETELY anhilate all inhabitants of the land across the Jordan called the "Promise Land", and to even kill children, and all animals in some of the cities they burned and destroyed at God's command.


3 posted on 03/04/2006 2:49:21 PM PST by Iam1ru1-2
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
Don't you people realize that Allah is the one true god and MuhamMAD (piss be on him) is his "profit?>"
4 posted on 03/04/2006 2:59:21 PM PST by BW2221
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To: Iam1ru1-2

TheIslamics pray to their heathen god. That's OK
A civilized man prays to his God and is chastized?
The world really has gone mad.


5 posted on 03/04/2006 3:27:37 PM PST by BerryessaJim
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Whatever one wants to say about Tony Blair, he has been one of the few national leaders that has stood by the U.S. during this war against the Islamafascists. God bless him for that.


6 posted on 03/04/2006 3:36:19 PM PST by appleharvey
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Doesn't Blair know that God is a leftist? Just ask a minister from any mainstream denomination. Or Jesse Jackson.


7 posted on 03/04/2006 3:38:24 PM PST by popdonnelly
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
The posh-sounding retards at the BBC are probably the source of the controversy. Politicians mentioning God in wartime?! Truly shocking. A politician saying that he thought was he was doing was right that God will judge him for it? Outrageous nonsense!

Still a bit odd though. I thought the cutting edge egalitarian, non-evil philosophy over there was not believing in all that God rubbish anyway, or decidedly not having an opinion about it at all. I guess Tony's crime is that he's got religion in the first place. Typical, what with the way Christianity has been used throughout history by the baaahstards in power to kill and maim and exploit people (pausing to wipe off foam from the side of my mouth)....

Poor, poor Tony. He needs to stop indulging in "hypocrisy" and go back to his roots, rejoining the hip-ocracy that swept him into power in the first place.
8 posted on 03/04/2006 3:41:23 PM PST by dr_who_2
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
You can't say "God?" Today more people find it shocking than announcing you're gay.

(Denny Crane: "I Don't Want To Socialize With A Pinko Liberal Democrat Commie. Say What You Like About Republicans. We Stick To Our Convictions. Even When We Know We're Dead Wrong.")

9 posted on 03/05/2006 4:58:47 AM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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