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To: Dr. Bogus Pachysandra

Ack - that old chestnut again:

Folks, John Howard isn't socialist scum, and that e-mail about Australian gun crime rising is complete bogus. And yes, you can own a gun here...

a) John Howard has been PM of Australia for 10 years today. Yes, he is a member of the Liberal party - but "Liberal" in Australia means "Conservative"... You know, the sun goes up in the North here, swans are black and Christmas is in summer!

b) About that crime rate - bollocks!

http://www.snopes.com/crime/statistics/ausguns.asp

c) You can legally own guns here - you need a permit and as in most countries, there are some restrictions as to what type of guns you can own.

Stop posting BS about Australia!!!


84 posted on 03/01/2006 1:46:48 PM PST by woolies
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To: woolies
Sorry. Unless he was misquoted, he made the claim that guns are "evil."

There can be no excuse for mouthing such idiocy.

90 posted on 03/01/2006 1:51:34 PM PST by B Knotts
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To: woolies
You can legally own guns here -

So what's he so proud of?

96 posted on 03/01/2006 1:56:30 PM PST by papertyger
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To: woolies
Learn to read your own statistics. Even you police are saying crime has risen dramatically. Read all the post on this thread and them come back with your BS. Australia's crime rate has risen since the big buy back. Maybe you can get a gun, with the right permits, but how hard is it to get the permit?

Technically, you can get a handgun in NYC also, but in reality it is almost impossible to get one, and good luck on trying to get a carry permit if you do get one to own.

I would suspect that is where Australia is at right now and by the sounds of Howard it is going to get tougher to get a gun. Dream on and keep telling yourself that all this stuff are lies.

105 posted on 03/01/2006 2:36:57 PM PST by calex59 (seeing the light shouldn't make you go blind and, BTW, Stå sammen med danskerne !)
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To: woolies
You can own guns there??? Seems that this page from the US Military says otherwise..

From here

Firearms Restrictions

In 1996, Australia passed sweeping firearms legislation, which now outlaws within Australia the possession of most firearms such as rifles, shotguns and handguns .

Firearms include any implement which fires a projectile-paintball guns, pellet guns, air rifles, etc. It is not impossible to bring your weapon into Australia (but, almost impossible and highly not recommended!). You must first fully and clearly declare your weapon to TMO and Australian Customs (concealing a firearm in household goods or in personal baggage is a very serious offense). Depending upon the weapon, you might be required to obtain a permit to import from Australian authorities. Upon being shipped into Australia, Australian Customs will confiscate your weapon. Pistols will be detained until written permission is granted from the police authorities in your Australian state of residence. Air and gas-operated pistols are prohibited.

You must then pay Queen's Bond (non-reimbursable) to Australian Customs and show that you have a non-criminal record and proper gun safety and training. Additionally, firearms imported are subject to safety testing (fee-for-service). After you pay a bond and fee for safety testing, and recover your weapon from Customs, the use of your weapon will then be restricted solely to registered gun clubs (with high membership dues and fees). Weapon storage requirements in Australia are also very substantial (i.e.: highly secure vaults in residence, and/or storage at a gun club at a fee-for-service; weapon, weapon bolt, ammo, all stored separately; etc.). If you elect to bring weapons against this advice, you are required to follow all applicable Australian laws and regulations, and deal personally with all applicable Australian Federal and State government agencies.

Simply put, best advice: do not plan to bring any firearms to Australia!

Hmm.. Not too gun friendly to me..

110 posted on 03/01/2006 2:47:05 PM PST by eXe (Si vis pacem, para bellum)
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