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Physician Advocates for Medical Marijuana
Rutland Herald ^ | Feb. 26, 2006

Posted on 02/26/2006 7:55:05 AM PST by Wolfie

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To: Supernatural
"All propaganda must be so popular and on such an intellectual level, that even the most stupid of those towards whom it is directed will understand it".

ROFL!
Your brain on drugs!
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41 posted on 02/26/2006 9:49:54 AM PST by mugs99 (Don't take life too seriously, you won't get out alive.)
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To: Nachum
What medical marijuana folks want is for the government to get off the backs of the sick and the poor who have to sneak around to get what they need when they are suffering. Dronabinol is nothing but a way to inflate the cost so the drug companies can get their cut.

Maybe, I have considerable sympathy for the cost containment aspect of this discussion, if one could grow their own, why spend ~$400/mo. for a capsule.

But the argument that it doesn't work and is therapeutically less effective, in my extensive experience with patients on this medicine, does not hold water.
The pill, properly used as a appetite agonist and anti-emetic is quite useful and effective with a minimum of peak dose effects such as forgetfulness, depersonalization, feelings of unreality, paranoia, or panic. It is the unpredictable peak dose effects, as well as the unreliable nature of the content of raw product consumption, as well as the potential for adulteration of content by intermediaries that really worries me about it's use in medically unstable patients
42 posted on 02/26/2006 9:50:07 AM PST by HangnJudge
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To: patton

Did you ever watch the movie while you were stoned?

Me either. Very paranoia producing.


43 posted on 02/26/2006 9:50:55 AM PST by celestine phophesy (One who asks a question is a fool for 5 min; one who does not ask a question remains a fool forever.)
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To: patton
Reefer Madness



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44 posted on 02/26/2006 9:54:22 AM PST by mugs99 (Don't take life too seriously, you won't get out alive.)
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To: celestine phophesy

I have never smoked pot.


45 posted on 02/26/2006 9:56:03 AM PST by patton (Just because you don't understand it, does not mean that it does not exist.)
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To: mugs99

Actually, those swallowing the big lie about MJ being harmful and even fatal are probably not on drugs.

Hitler took over a country with propaganda. Our country had made MJ illegal with propaganda.

A very simple lie. Easy for even the most stupid to understand. MJ is dangerous. MJ use can be fatal. Repeat the lie over and over until even the most stupid are led to believe that the lie is the truth.


46 posted on 02/26/2006 9:58:30 AM PST by Supernatural (Lay me doon in the caul caul groon, whaur afore monie mair huv gaun)
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To: HangnJudge
But the argument that it doesn't work and is therapeutically less effective, in my extensive experience with patients on this medicine, does not hold water.

LOL!
In other words, you lose money on those who use the natural product. Keep pushing your $400 per month pills and leave those who can't afford your overpriced crap alone!
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47 posted on 02/26/2006 10:00:19 AM PST by mugs99 (Don't take life too seriously, you won't get out alive.)
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To: Wolfie

If it can be proven that the healthful elements can be identified and found to be of use in treatment then package it - let it be sold as medicine.

But no way should this dangerous stuff be allowed to be freely grown and distributed to anyone.


48 posted on 02/26/2006 10:05:14 AM PST by eleni121 ('Thou hast conquered, O Galilean!' (Julian the Apostate))
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To: patton

I have to say that I succumbed to peer pressure many years ago in college, so even though I think it should be legalized, it has greater psychogenic effects than just simple cigarettes. Even though it has the same effects on the body as cigarettes it is in the same class as alcohol.


49 posted on 02/26/2006 10:09:57 AM PST by celestine phophesy (One who asks a question is a fool for 5 min; one who does not ask a question remains a fool forever.)
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To: HangnJudge
Maybe,

There is no maybe about it. Most people cannot afford $400/month for any medication.

But the argument that it doesn't work and is therapeutically less effective, in my extensive experience with patients on this medicine

And my expereince with patients on Marijuana is that it does work and is very effective. If wasn't, you wouldn't have secret medical marijauna clubs accross the country. It is not the only option for cancer sufferers, but it is widely known and available to those who choose it; and it is chosen repeatedly by the sick and dying. They couldn't care one whit about what arguments hold water. They only know that it relieves their suffering.

50 posted on 02/26/2006 10:15:56 AM PST by Nachum
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To: Supernatural

51 posted on 02/26/2006 10:17:50 AM PST by celestine phophesy (One who asks a question is a fool for 5 min; one who does not ask a question remains a fool forever.)
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To: eleni121

"But no way should this dangerous stuff be allowed to be freely grown and distributed to anyone".

ANNUAL AMERICAN DEATHS CAUSED BY DRUGS

TOBACCO ........................ 400,000
ALCOHOL ........................ 100,000
ALL LEGAL DRUGS ................ 20,000
ALL ILLEGAL DRUGS .............. 15,000
CAFFEINE ....................... 2,000
ASPIRIN ........................ 500
MARIJUANA ...................... 0

Source: United States government...
National Institute on Drug Abuse,
Bureau of Mortality Statistics

Marijuana is neither addictive as it has no physical withdrawal symptoms when the user quits using it. Marijuana has never caused a fatality from its use that can be document such as lung cancer from smoking MJ.

Dangerous? Aspirin is more dangerous than MJ and causes 500 deaths per year verses zero deaths from MJ use.

How about posting some facts to support your claims? Or do no facts exist to support your claims? One or the other.

Prove your point. Here is your big chance. Post some real facts for all to see.


52 posted on 02/26/2006 10:23:14 AM PST by Supernatural (Lay me doon in the caul caul groon, whaur afore monie mair huv gaun)
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To: celestine phophesy

Hitler took over a country with propaganda. Our country has made MJ illegal with propaganda.

A very simple lie. Easy for even the most stupid to understand. MJ is dangerous. MJ use can be fatal. Repeat the lie over and over until even the most stupid are led to believe that the lie is the truth.


53 posted on 02/26/2006 10:25:03 AM PST by Supernatural (Lay me doon in the caul caul groon, whaur afore monie mair huv gaun)
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To: eleni121
But no way should this dangerous stuff

ROFL!
Gladys Kravitz strikes again!
You said the same on the second hand smoke thread...
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54 posted on 02/26/2006 10:26:29 AM PST by mugs99 (Don't take life too seriously, you won't get out alive.)
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To: eleni121
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=7503819&dopt=Citation
Marijuana as an antiemetic drug: how useful is it today? Opinions from clinical oncologists.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=10839332&dopt=Citation
Marijuana and medicine: assessing the science base: a summary of the 1999 Institute of Medicine report.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=8912803&dopt=Citation
A community survey of adverse effects of cannabis use.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=2324288&dopt=Citation
36- and 48-month neurobehavioral follow-up of children prenatally exposed to marijuana, cigarettes, and alcohol.

I am aware that reasonable people can disagree about their experiences in this area, but to argue forcefully that "medical marijuana" is a good thing and to be encouraged is an realm of considerable disagreement
55 posted on 02/26/2006 10:27:13 AM PST by HangnJudge
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To: eleni121

IMHO, cigarettes are more harmful and addicting than marijuana. Why are cigarettes legal?


56 posted on 02/26/2006 10:27:34 AM PST by zakbrow (I'm running out of places to bury the bodies.)
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To: eleni121
If it can be proven that the healthful elements can be identified and found to be of use in treatment then package it - let it be sold as medicine.

But no way should this dangerous stuff be allowed to be freely grown and distributed to anyone.

I have to agree with you. But the word "dangerous" is misleading to adults. But put it in terms of our kids. It is so easy to grow an MJ plant anywhere (believe me, it is), so what happens if we let pre-teens have unlimited access to the plants? Why don't we let pre-teens have unlimited access to alcohol?

I am in favor of legalizing it, but there has to be a sensible plan.

57 posted on 02/26/2006 10:29:37 AM PST by celestine phophesy (One who asks a question is a fool for 5 min; one who does not ask a question remains a fool forever.)
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To: Supernatural

I agree. But what would be a plan to legalize it that makes sense? Do you not agree that it is in the same class as alcohol in the way it affects our thinking and functioning?


58 posted on 02/26/2006 10:31:53 AM PST by celestine phophesy (One who asks a question is a fool for 5 min; one who does not ask a question remains a fool forever.)
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To: celestine phophesy

No, it is nowhere near the same class of drug as alcohol is. Believe it or not, you can do anything high on MJ that you could do straight. Drive a car, function in society, a very long list of anything and everything. That might be hard for you to believe but it is true.

You can't do much when you are drunk. Except fall down or crash the vehicle you are driving. Or commit acts of violence. Or have your marriage destroyed.

Alcohol can be fatal. MJ has no known overdose. Alcohol has withdrawal symptoms that can be bad enough to kill you without being in a detox unit at a hospita. MJ has zero physical withdrawal symptoms.

One is very bad, the other is most benign. One is legal and one is not.

What's wrong with this picture?


59 posted on 02/26/2006 10:41:07 AM PST by Supernatural (Lay me doon in the caul caul groon, whaur afore monie mair huv gaun)
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To: zakbrow

I think you are right, cigarettes may be more addictive than mj. It is the "habit" that is hard to break. Nicotine vs hannibus (or what's the mj drug?) may be no different as addictive drugs. I smoked cigarettes for many years as well. When I tried to quit, it wasn't the nicotine that I was addicted to, it was the "habit".

The cigarette companies still have strong lobbying power in congress, esp in VA, as we have just recently seen. It's all politics, when you come right down to it. There is more support, and thus more votes for congressmen to have a war against drugs than to legalize it.


60 posted on 02/26/2006 10:42:03 AM PST by celestine phophesy (One who asks a question is a fool for 5 min; one who does not ask a question remains a fool forever.)
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