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To: Cicero
Who told these arab youths that Americans killed all the Indians? None other than our American ... leftists.

Jackson's record regarding Native Americans was not good. He led troops against them in both the Creek War and the First Seminole War and during his first administration the Indian Removal Act was passed in 1830. The act offered the Indians land west of the Mississippi in return for evacuation of their tribal homes in the east. About 100 million acres of traditional Indian lands were cleared under this law.
Two years later Jackson did nothing to make Georgia abide by the Supreme Court's ruling in Worcester vs. Georgia in which the Court found that the State of Georgia did not have any jurisdiction over the Cherokees. Georgia ignored the Court's decision and so did Andrew Jackson. In 1838-1839 Georgia evicted the Cherokees and forced them to march west. About twenty-five percent of the Indians were dead before they reached their new lands in Oklahoma. The Indians refer to this march as the "Trail of Tears" and even though it took place after Jackson's presidency, the roots of the march can be found in Jackson's failure to uphold the legal rights of Native Americans during his administration.

It's in all the history books. Should lefties by silenced for telling the truth?

59 posted on 02/25/2006 6:56:12 PM PST by liberallarry
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To: liberallarry

No, nothing wrong with telling the truth. But let's get real. Americans treated the Indians badly. Indians treated each other badly. Indians treated Americans badly.
And of course there were also nice, honorable people on all sides too.

Are the Germans trying to pretend that they never killed anybody? Are the Turks pretending that they never killed anybody? What happened to all those civilizations that the Turks overran when they invaded what is now called Turkey? What happened to the Armenians?

In other words, telling the truth is one thing, but slanting the truth and channeling hatred at one target is something else. Why should the Germans be surprised that their Turkish immigrants hate the Jews, when the German leftists have been teaching them to hate the Jews? Why should they be surprised that they hate the Americans when they have been teaching them to hate the Americans. And, incidentally, they have been teaching them to hate the Germans, which they will soon find is a worse problem.


67 posted on 02/25/2006 7:06:20 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: liberallarry

"It's in all the history books. Should lefties by silenced for telling the truth?"

Grant Foreman is seen as giving the most researched death toll for the Trail Of Tears, his estimate is 1,846. There were Indians before the Trail of Tears and Indians after the Trail of Tears,so"Who told these arab youths that Americans killed all the Indians? None other than our American ... leftists."


73 posted on 02/25/2006 7:21:56 PM PST by ansel12
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To: liberallarry
Let's not forget that American Indians SLAUGHTERED each other on a consistent basis. Also, there has not been a more terrible enemy,and at the same time a more magnanimous or compassionate victor in war in the history of mankind than the U.S. Military - a fact glossed over by the MSM, leftist elite, & other America haters, foreign & domestic (AKA the Democrat party establishment).The U.S. Military - "No worse enemy, no better friend".
81 posted on 02/25/2006 7:41:58 PM PST by Apercu ("Res ipsa loquitur")
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To: liberallarry


The Left have never told the complete truth, but you know that because you're a Leftie yourself.


83 posted on 02/25/2006 7:53:09 PM PST by onyx (IF ONLY 10% of Muslims are radical, that's still 120 MILLION who want to kill us.)
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To: liberallarry

"The Indians refer to this march as the "Trail of Tears" and even though it took place after Jackson's presidency, the roots of the march can be found in Jackson's failure to uphold the legal rights of Native Americans during his administration.
It's in all the history books. Should lefties by silenced for telling the truth?"

A few comments from a past Andrew Jackson thread by our brilliant and scholarly fellow Freepers to put your comments regarding Jackson into a realistic perspective, rather from your liberal PC one:

"I'm not a Jackson admirer generally, but he gets a bum rap on Indian removal. If one examines his realistic options, one is forced to conclude that removal was his least bad alternative. Georgia was ready to drive out the Cherokees and believed themselves legally and constitutionally and even morally entitled to do so. (The Cherokee Nation was organized long AFTER Georgia as a political entity and was run by men who were 3/4 or 7/8 white). It served as a haven for outlaws from Georgia justice.) In order to save the Cherokees from Georgia, Jackson would have had to fight a civil war against Georgia. At this very time Jackson was in a crisis with SC over the tariff that threatened civil war. The Trail of Tears was a tragedy, no doubt about it, but it averted greater tragedies."

"The Cherokee were given two years to move. Acting on the advice of a corrupt tribal leadership, they stayed. I don't want to downplay what Jackson did (I had ancestors in the Cherokee Nation at the time), but they were just as screwed over by their own leadership as they were by the Federal government."

"As to the Indians and the trail of tears, I don't know about the Cherokee, but the Choctaws were sold out by their leaders. Many of the leaders received a lot of money and property for helping to force the Choctaws into OK. "Twas ever thus!!"

"The number taught in schools of Cherokee deaths on the road to Oklahoma is around 4000. The real number may be a tenth of that--remember that the scholars are motivated to put America in as bad a light as possible. Many descendents of Appalachian southerners, (like myself) are also of Cherokee descent. I have no motive in discounting the tragedy--particularly the tragedy of a people native to the beautiful Blue Ridge forced to give over their land and become, abruptly, dwellers of a semi-desert. But it is likely that about 400 people died along the way, and not of starvation. Since about 40,000 made the forced move, this is not entirely an abnormal death rate even under better circumstances. The 400 number is backed by contemporary (to the time) accounts of deaths. Many have assumed that these were lies, but why lie? At the time, no one felt sorry enough for the Indians to bother to lie."

"The native population of North America, as large as 15 million in 1500, had been reduced to less than 250,000 by 1890."

"Wow...15 million native Americans sounds like a lot for that time period, But I don't have any better numbers. Does anyone know the size of the Comanche population during the 1800's. They were as unimaginably cruel and murderous as these f#@kin islamic jihadist inbreds. Everyone hated them including other Indian tribes. They killed pretty much everything that ever walked, crawled, flew or swam. Their favorite sport was to torture and mutilate their enemies (that's anyone that was not Comanche) then barbeque them alive and upside down over a nice hot fire. I'm not sure they ever survived in very large numbers. The US army ended up having to kill most of them I think because of their unrepentent murderous nature. I'd be curious to know what the surviving Comanche population is. It might be of some interest to our islamic jihadist friends as well since they are likely headed toward a similar fate."

"More Indians were killed and enslaved by Mexicans and other tribes, than by Americans."


90 posted on 02/25/2006 9:12:03 PM PST by flaglady47
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