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One class size does not fit all
The Lowell Sun ^ | 02.22.06

Posted on 02/23/2006 10:03:29 PM PST by Coleus

A group of Tewksbury parents and educators may be well-intentioned, but its idea to cap the public school system's teacher-student ratio does little but place another financial burden on the struggling town. The group is pushing a proposal to limit the number of students per class to 25. To do so, the town would have to hire an additional 20 schoolteachers, at a conservative cost estimate of nearly $800,000 annually in salaries and benefits.

In all likelihood the proposal would translate into a huge tax increase for fiscal 2007, since the Tewksbury School Department is already facing a multimillion dollar deficit in its proposed budget -- one that the School Committee has shown little inclination to reduce despite overtures from the town's Finance Committee.

Quite simply, Tewksbury can't afford the luxury of imposing a class-size mandate throughout the school system. And even if tax dollars were plentiful, the proposal offers little guarantee that it would be either effective for students or efficient in raising academic excellence.

Recent U.S. studies on the value of class size have produced mixed results. There are about as many experts advocating a lower student-teacher ratio as there are those saying it doesn't measurably improve performance.

If anything, reduced class sizes seem to work best in kindergarten through grade four where young, impressionable students need greater teacher attention. In the latter school years, studies have shown, there is little appreciable positive effect on students. (A good book to read is author Joel Turtel's Public Schools, Public Menace, which analyzes 277 published studies on the effect of teacher-pupil ratios and class-size averages on student achievement. According to Eric Hanushek, a University of Rochester economist, only 15 percent of these studies showed a positive improvement in achievement with smaller class size, 72 percent found no statistically significant effect, and 13 percent found a negative effect on achievement.)

Class size has long been a "magic bullet" used by parents and teachers' unions to get the public's attention about the perceived deteriorating conditions in school systems. Certainly, Tewksbury schools have been challenged financially since the local aid bust of 2001, but they aren't showing any major reversal of academic results.

In reality, a blanket class-size mandate amounts to nothing more than a status-quo solution that drains vital taxpayers' dollars from other education resources where they might do the most good.

We are not advocating that class sizes be allowed to grow exponentially. What we are advocating is the establishment of priorities. A better proposal for the parents' group would be to endorse a study that would investigate where reduced class sizes might have the best impact on helping students learn. If it is in the younger grades, petition the School Department to set up a pilot program to serve as a "research and development" arm. With documented results in hand, it would be easier to enlist townspeople into expanding the program should more funding become available.

Of course, there are other creative ways to reduce class sizes that don't involve spending money. Progressive school systems across the nation have set up online courses for exceptional students as well as those who must work to sustain their families. In both cases, students who show promise for independent study are given the chance to succeed beyond classroom borders, thus reducing the overall student population. Why can't Massachusetts schools be so forward thinking?

It's a question Tewksbury parents should be asking before they discuss another tax increase to pay for a class-size mandate that isn't a proven winner.


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To: brytlea
...public high schools must teach EVERYONE.

That was what I was going to say about why smaller classes in high school/middle school are important these days. Unfortunately, most kids do not want to learn and the bigger the class, the more disruptions there are and the less the teacher can control all the kids or have a sense of who is understanding the lesson and who is not. In our public and private high schools, teachers are responsible for the kids' learning. But in a college setting, the kids are responsible. That's the biggest problem. Teachers can't fail kids right and left like the professors can without getting flak from the parents and the administration. I think it's a lose-lose profession!
21 posted on 02/24/2006 7:21:58 AM PST by Serenissima Venezia (U.S. a 3rd world soon: not educating enough scientists/engineers and being invaded by illegals)
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To: Serenissima Venezia

Yeah, that's why I'm not all that disappointed I haven't found a teaching job here in S. FL since we moved here. Teaching in TX was probably alot better situation. I miss it, but it's hardly worth the hassle (plus the fact that so many people automatically assume I am lazy and stupid because I teach...)
susie


22 posted on 02/24/2006 8:00:50 AM PST by brytlea (I'm not a conspiracy theorist....really.)
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To: NonValueAdded
"Schools need some flexibility to add the 21st kid to a good teacher's class when capped at 20, rather than condemn another student to mediocrity."

I can see that argument - I just wish I had confidence the flexibility would actually be used in the manner you suggest.
23 posted on 02/24/2006 8:18:57 AM PST by gondramB (Render unto Caesar that which is Caesar's and unto God that which is God's.)
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To: brytlea
plus the fact that so many people automatically assume I am lazy and stupid because I teach...)

Isn't that sad? Teaching isn't really considered a profession in this country, making it really hard to attract the good ones. The problem is there are so many bad ones that the unions refuse to get rid of!

And it's sad because I taught for one semester (and quit with disgust). But, when I was teaching, I wasn't proud to say I was a teacher when asked - I was more embarassed. Now that I'm not working at all, I still think of myself as an engineer (my 1st career) and my self-respect has improved! But - I don't think I ever worked harder than I did as a teacher. But I decided it was hardly worth the effort - the kids and administration didn't really care. And I was exhausted and frustrated every single day.
24 posted on 02/24/2006 9:57:23 AM PST by Serenissima Venezia (U.S. a 3rd world soon: not educating enough scientists/engineers and being invaded by illegals)
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To: brytlea

public high schools must teach EVERYONE.

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And you don't see that as a problem?

So,,,when did one size fit all children?

Think about this. It is sick!


25 posted on 02/24/2006 10:25:35 AM PST by wintertime (Good ideas win! Why? Because people are not stupid.)
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To: brytlea
Yup, it's all just stupid, lazy teachers.

Well, susie, I've walked a mile in their moccasins - I've taught in public school. I don't disagree that parents and administrators have a part to play, but administrators come out of the teachers ranks. Parents, today, are mostly just clueless. The primary culprits in the failure of the school system remains the teachers.

Colleges of education remain at the bottom of the barrel for incoming SAT scores and for the teachers they produce. Neal Boortz has a great rant about this on his website. I recommend that you check it out.
26 posted on 02/24/2006 10:27:12 AM PST by DustyMoment (FloriDUH - proud inventors of pregnant/hanging chads and judicide!!)
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To: Serenissima Venezia

Teaching isn't really considered a profession

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They don't act like professionals. They act like union card holders.


27 posted on 02/24/2006 10:30:27 AM PST by wintertime (Good ideas win! Why? Because people are not stupid.)
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To: Serenissima Venezia

I think that's such a big part of the problem. Many good teachers don't think it's worth the effort and stress and they go into something else. I knew some really dumb teachers, and some really lazy and bad teachers, but I also knew alot of really good teachers who were as frustrated as I was, but felt it as a calling and soldiered on. I probably would have continued teaching as my own personal situation was not nearly as bad as most (our school was rather conservative in comparison), however, I am not as motivated to teach here in Palm Beach County, so I have not pursued a job as hard as I could. Their loss... :)
susie


28 posted on 02/24/2006 10:55:37 AM PST by brytlea (I'm not a conspiracy theorist....really.)
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To: DustyMoment

Do you have a link handy?


29 posted on 02/24/2006 10:56:53 AM PST by Serenissima Venezia (U.S. a 3rd world soon: not educating enough scientists/engineers and being invaded by illegals)
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To: wintertime

Please elaborate. I'm not exactly sure what your point is. Are you advocating a system where public schools pick and choose who they teach? (there may be some merit to this, but I'm not sure if that's where you're going or not).
susie


30 posted on 02/24/2006 10:56:57 AM PST by brytlea (I'm not a conspiracy theorist....really.)
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To: DustyMoment

Not all of us came from colleges of education. I personally went in to teaching later (yeah, I had to go back and pick up 12 wasted hours of teaching classes, but I don't think it had much effect on me!).
The problem is multilayered, but to lay it at the feet of teachers will not solve it, if that is the goal. If teachers are the biggest part of the problem, then you have to look at how that came to be, and I would submit that a big part of that is the system itself which does not reward good teachers over poor ones, and frustrates good teachers who frequently quit and do something else.
susie


31 posted on 02/24/2006 11:00:20 AM PST by brytlea (I'm not a conspiracy theorist....really.)
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To: brytlea
We recently toured several colleges for my older daughter who is a senior--I was shocked at the number of LARGE classes that were being taught by assistants! Forget having a professor--the TA's were in charge.

She decided on a small private college with no TA's in charge and a class size average of 15.

32 posted on 02/24/2006 11:02:09 AM PST by SoftballMominVA
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To: wintertime
Your post is an example of what really galls me. Teachers are not some monolithic being. They don't all act the same way. And, btw, I taught in TX. We were not unionized.

susie

33 posted on 02/24/2006 11:02:31 AM PST by brytlea (I'm not a conspiracy theorist....really.)
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To: SoftballMominVA

I've heard alot of complaints (some from my own 3 sons who went thru college in the late 90s and up until last year). Lots of TAs and also lots of them who are difficult to understand. Not really fair to the students at all, and heck, to those of us footing the bill. I didn't have that experience myself, but I attended mostly smaller schools, and the professors taught their own classes (except for the labs).
susie


34 posted on 02/24/2006 11:04:50 AM PST by brytlea (I'm not a conspiracy theorist....really.)
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To: brytlea

I'm in VA which is a right to work state. I don't belong to a union and never have. Probably less than 1/2 of the faculty at my middle school are union members and that number drops each year as the older teachers retire. The NEA has nothing to offer conservative teachers.


35 posted on 02/24/2006 11:06:00 AM PST by SoftballMominVA
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To: SoftballMominVA

If I taught here in FL I think I would have to join the union, which would really tick me off!
susie


36 posted on 02/24/2006 11:18:19 AM PST by brytlea (I'm not a conspiracy theorist....really.)
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To: Coleus
Back in the 1950's & 1960's we had 60 kids in one kindergarten class w/o an aide, all learned how to read by the end of the year.

I am somewhat skeptical of your claims, but in any case, I'd bet most of those kids knew that if they didn't sit down, shut up and stop poking the kid next to them that their parents would beat their butts. Their parents probably insisted that their kids work hard and monitored their progress.

Today, we have unruly children with parents who insist that the teacher is always at fault. You can't assign them extra homework because they don't do homework anyway. Detentions given are rarely on the same day as the infraction and if the parents insist that the child cannot miss the bus, then detention is out. Teachers can't take away recess and Principals don't want to hear about problems.

But it's all the teacher's fault!

37 posted on 02/24/2006 11:21:26 AM PST by Dianna
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To: brytlea
If I taught here in FL I think I would have to join the union, which would really tick me off!

I was hoping Kentucky would pass a Right to Work Law before I graduated, but it hasn't. I'll have to join the union, but I'm not sure if I should fight for part of my dues to go to a charity or if I should fly under the radar for awhile. This particular area is awfully conservative.

38 posted on 02/24/2006 11:24:55 AM PST by Dianna
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To: Dianna
Oh memories of school! I remember backtalking the teacher in 3rd grade, getting a paddling and going home scared to death of my dad. I knew whatever I got at school would be doubled at home. 3 licks at school did indeed equal 6 licks at home.

Nowadays a kid backtalking a teacher wouldn't even raise an eyebrow. Last week we had one kid take off his chain necklace and whip another kid across the face and left a huge welt. The parents of the whipper refused to believe it happened in spite of adult and student witnesses. Unless it was on tape, her son was innocent.

We're not in Kansas anymore are we?

39 posted on 02/24/2006 11:28:38 AM PST by SoftballMominVA
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To: Serenissima Venezia

The drive to graduate everyone from high school tends to be counterproductive. Vocational education has taken a hit, which means that kids with almost no academic gifts are stuffed into classes where they are doomed to fail. When I was young about 60% of my freshman class graduated. By the time they were sixteen they had dropped out and gone to work. People forget the reason for setting the age for driver's liscense at 16, because it was then that they went to work. Now they work, but only for pocket money or to feed their cars. Then they were starting their lives.


40 posted on 02/24/2006 11:34:23 AM PST by RobbyS ( CHIRHO)
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