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To: blinachka

"a vicious brutal dictator who deserved to be overthrown As vicious as Lenin and Stalin? I think not...buut I could be wrong. Please cite evidence for this.

Even so, he is a Martyr."

I can't cite such evidence.

But you don't need to be as bad as Stalin to deserve to be overthrown and in any case the people get to choose thier leaders and leaders who won't leave when the people want them out have to be removed. We were lucky in the American revolution that King George didn't live here but with an entrenched Czar unwilling to go into exile they had fewer choices.

That doesn't make the man or his wife a martyr any more than Tookie is a martyr.

The martyrs are the Russian people - the ones who clung to Bolchevism as a way out of tyranny only to find there were far worse dictators yet to come.


6 posted on 02/21/2006 9:28:03 AM PST by gondramB (Render unto Caesar that which is Caesar's and unto God that which is God's.)
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To: gondramB
Tsar Nicholas did not refuse to go into exile. He hoped to go to England and take his family with him. The British refused to accept him and he and his family were taken prisoner and sent to the Ipatiev(sp?) house in Ekaterinberg where they were eventually murdered in cold blood by the communists.

My ancestors lived in Russia at the time. They were supporters of the Tsar and saw the inherent evil that was the Bolsheveiks. There homes were taken over by the Bolsheviks and they were forced to live in one room of the house. Some of them starved during the blockade. My ancestors fought with the White Army and my Great Grandfather (on my Dad's side) was martyred when he was murdered by the Red army for being an Orthodox preist.

My relatives that were killed or starved to death under the Bolshevieks are the Russian people you write of...and they were in full support of Tsar Nicholas II.

16 posted on 02/21/2006 2:33:11 PM PST by blinachka (Vechnaya Pamyat Daddy... xoxo)
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To: gondramB
with an entrenched Czar unwilling to go into exile

That's not true. His cousin, who was on the throne in England, refused him and his family sanctuary. Nicholas asked. England refused.

18 posted on 02/22/2006 1:14:51 PM PST by DJ MacWoW (If you think you know what's coming next....You don't know Jack.)
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