Posted on 02/20/2006 7:46:11 AM PST by Dark Skies
"No, we can't deport native born citizens. But we don't need to. We don't even need to outlaw Islam, because treason is still a crime. "
It is indeed a crime. If treason is being committed, then prosecutions should take place. I have not seen a single treason charge relating to Islam. Have you?
Islam is not a religion. It is thought control on an extent that has Mao and Lenin slapping their palms to forehead (in the depths of Hell) and wondering why THEY didn't think of it.
Unfortunately, the only law recognized in Islam is Muslim law, the Sharia. The 'proper sphere' for Islam includes politics; I've not read of any disagreement on this among muslims.
If a religion does not recognize the same 'proper sphere' as you do, then what? How do you propose to convince the mullahs that they are outside their proper sphere? I doubt that even you and I agree on what the proper sphere for religion is, except that it unacceptable to blow things up to force my religion on you or vice versa.
Since Islam has a political stance, and it is in direct opposition to our way of politics, I see few options other than addressing it as a political movement and banning it as we would any other political movement dedicated to the overthrow of the constitution.
If this were a new age cult, where their method for overthrowing the current order was limited to group prayer, or suicide while waiting for the mother-ship, I'd give them a pass. They aren't, and they don't.
"Ever met an American-born Muslim? I know plenty, they're just as pro-America as the average Chistian guy. They understand and are VERY thankful that common law rules in the US, Islamic law is nuts. American-born Muslims are the ideal of what needs to happen in the rest of the world.
This is an individual responsibility issue, not a religious one."
Yes, I know a couple of native-born Muslims. They're fine citizens...the ones I know. One of them has some service medals from his time in the Army during Vietnam. He still prays five times a day.
You are correct. We punish actions, not religions.
not necessarily.
There is a legal school of thought that states you can not used the first amendment to eliminate the first amendment.
You can not use the freedoms of the nation to overthrow the nation.
Consider how a US visa application SPECIFICALLY asks if the applicant has EVER belonged to an organization which advocated the overthrow of the united states. An applicant can be denied a visa for advocating the overthrow of the US government. That is 100% in contrary to first amendment absolutists.
ISLAM advocates the overthrow of the USA's government an replacing it with a theocracy without the bill of rights or constitution. Just tribal mullahs dictating thought to a level 8 centuries ago.
Islam has by its own nature and scripture abdicated any first amendment rights.
Good post.
Islam is a death cult.
Ok, let me refraze that. Is it legal to advocate (violent) overthrow of the US government ? Is it legal to have an organization dedicated to the overthrow US government ?
Islam is a political party couched in religeous belief. Just like communism were. Commies worshipped the State. Islam worships Allah to the point that they would impose their rule on others. No difference. Just because Commies were 'atheists' in the traditional sense doesn't mean Communism isn't/wasn't a religeon. We took care of that one, we can take care of Islam (which, is *FAR* worse).
Look, I don't like it anymore than you do....but bottom line, it's a religion. Warped, weird, misogynistic...but still a religion to those who practice it.
The same mind control can be applied to many other groups (like Scientology or even the Amish if you think about it). Again, this is about the constitution and who decides what is what.
Bravo!!!!
Hm. Perhaps there is some hope around here after all.
It's an age old question - do we, as a tolerant society, ban people who use toleration to preach intolerance?
The standard should be thus - if a creed calls for violence and destruction, then absolutely - it's a similar standard to inciting a riot being a crime. Islam, with its call for jihad and beheading those who dare insult the prophet, crosses this line.
Regards, Ivan
Neither did I.
Nor in my worst nightmare did I Imagine I'd be one of them.
Until 9/11.
You might try coming up to present time.
Also re: your tag line, Calamari for all...
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances."
I don't know what is SO hard to figure out about this statement within the Constitution. I will oppose ANYONE who says that making ANY religion, no matter how much I disagree with it, illegal.
Sorry.
The Constitution is not a suicide pact and radical Islam is no more a religion than Communism or Naziism. When a religion becomes a front for an organization dedicated to the violent overthrow of the Constitution and the United States, then it ceases to be a religion as defined in the first amendment.
These people have one deep religious belief, they believe that Allah wants them to kill you and me.
I have the evidence of personal experience with Muslims, I don't rely on what the media will report. I wish moderate Muslims would find a way to be heard, but they DO exist as a majority in the US.
Talk of banning their religion is exactly what the Islamic fanatics want to see. Only suckers still fight over religion - it's all about power.
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