Yeah, I read the headline the other day but I didn't go into the thread and read the posts till you brought it too my attention again.
I don't recall seeing a convincing argument that property rights truly always trump other rights. It best the arguements rest on some assumption I believe is false. More frequently it boils down to property rights trump just because they are property rights and I don't buy that.
I could say more but I don't want to get started.
I will say: So much errot, so little time.
(Not that I'm never in error myself, but somebody needs to prove so, not just say so, before I agree there's an error.)
I don't recall seeing a convincing argument that property rights truly always trump other rights.Property rights are the only rights that exist. The "right" to KBA proceeds from the fact that you can't stop the owner of the ore from selling it to someone who makes steel, and you can't stop him from selling it to someone who makes guns, and you can't stop him from selling the guns to whomever he pleases. In turn, you can't stop the owner of the gun from using it in any way he pleases, except in the case that he uses it to violate property rights.
You can make a rule for your property, that nobody with a firearm is permitted on your land as a guest. That's your prerogative, because it's your land.
Everything proceeds quite neatly from one and only one assumption: the right to property is absolute.
(Note: one's self is one's property, so self-defense is a special case of defense of property. In particular, libertarians usually say that the only right is the right "not to be aggressed against"; that's equivalent to "property rights" as I've formulated them here.)
KrisKrinkle wrote:
I don't recall seeing a convincing argument that property rights truly always trump other rights.
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Here's a fringer site that explains where some of the stuff we've been seeing posted comes from:
Your Rights
Address:
http://www.teamlaw.org/AssertRights.htm
In this nation, people (sovereigns) obtain ownership to land by Land Patent.
When a sovereign is on his own land, he is a king in his own country.
Other than God, there is no ruler higher.
The Land Patent brings king and country together with liberty. Such ownership is called "Allodial", which means, 'beholding to none other' (that is to say the opposite of feudal).
Government has no authority over a man on his Land Patent secured Land.
In proof of this fact, read the documents that secure such rights to you; the verbiage is absolute.
Also, remember the law of Trespass, which says, if anyone enters the land without the sovereign's permission that person is guilty of trespassing and is subject to summary execution on sight without any other cause or review.
Other property rights are directly related to Land rights and the right to Land and and property are the very foundations of virtually all other rights.
A sovereign permitted to enter on some other sovereign's land is merely a tenant, subject to the sovereign over the land. The tenant is bound to the law of the sovereign of the land. The visiting sovereign limits his agency by a tenancy agreement (contract), which allows his entry upon and or use of the land that is not his.
All other property rights stem from land rights. People tend to forget about sovereignty when they bind themselves under contracts.