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To: tpaine
Wow, any attempt at logical discourse with you seems like such a waste of time. But I'll use small words, so you can keep up.

Our Constitution is a social contract. It's preamble is a definition of that social contract.

You claim it's a social contract. You want to prove it. You need to do more than repeat the claim over and over. If you say the constitution is a social contract, and then you say a social contract is the constitution, you are going around in a circle.

If you want to prove that the Constitution has legitimate force over me, then there's another thing you can't do. You can't point out that the Constitution says it does. The question is, where does it get the authority to go saying it's got that authority?

If you try to use that argument, I'll answer that the Bible has authority over you. I'll prove it by quoting the Bible verses that say so. Then I'll force you to adopt my religion. Salt to taste. Serve with red wine.

385 posted on 02/24/2006 8:18:12 AM PST by Shalom Israel (Pray for the peace of Jerusalem.)
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To: Shalom Israel
Our Constitution is a social contract.

It's preamble is a definition of that social contract.

You want to prove: The Constitution is not a social contract.

You claimed that :

"-- I'll smash your definition, sending you back to square one. --"

Smash away Izzy.

You claim it's a social contract. You want to prove it. You need to do more than repeat the claim over and over.

You need to "smash" my definition. You haven't with that line.

If you say the constitution is a social contract, and then you say a social contract is the constitution, you are going around in a circle.

You need to "smash" my definition. You haven't with that line.

If you want to prove that the Constitution has legitimate force over me, then there's another thing you can't do.

You need to "smash" my definition. You haven't with that line.

You can't point out that the Constitution says it does.

You need to "smash" my definition. You haven't with that line.

The question is, where does it get the authority to go saying it's got that authority?

You need to "smash" my definition. You haven't with that question.

If you try to use that argument, I'll answer that the Bible has authority over you. I'll prove it by quoting the Bible verses that say so. Then I'll force you to adopt my religion. Salt to taste. Serve with red wine.

You need to "smash" my definition. You haven't with that comment.

Izzy, it's apparent you can't "smash" my definition. -- Instead you're attempting to divert attention from that fact.

Face it; you aren't very good at arguing libertarian & Constitutional logic. - I've called your bluff on "smashing".

The Constitutions preamble is a definition of the social contract embodied in that document. - You cannot refute that fact, [much less smash it] and you haven't even tried..

386 posted on 02/24/2006 9:09:01 AM PST by tpaine
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