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To: Marxbites
Freedom was the issue. Freedom is the absence of coercion.

And yet the Founders formed a government that embodies in its Constitution the principles of state coercion in fundamental ways, such as the authority to levy taxes, create a standing army and navy, eminent domain, search and seizure, and so on.

Their vision was not anarchy, but rather a decent balance between state power and individual freedom. They envisioned a far more limited government than we now have. But as John Adams noted, such government works only if the people under it are otherwise constrained by "moral and religious" principles which would make government redundant. Limited government becomes less and less viable as people begin to lose their moral constraints.

And picking nits and semantics is counterproductive.

Alas, sometimes those nits need to be picked before you discover that they're not nits after all. You seem to have lost sight of the fact that the Founders were not opposed to government per se.

180 posted on 02/20/2006 3:12:06 PM PST by r9etb
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To: r9etb

What's your point???

America has become just peachy & remains fully inline with founding principles?? What about all the laws made during the 44/48 yrs from 1932-80 the Dems ruled BOTH houses 92% of the time - all that's just fine with you, like socialist security with it's sub-2% return for boomers and getting worse? Even a sloth could get himself better returns AND they would have been compounding.

If so - you are a lost cause to me, iow, don't bother cuz I won't. The status quo is NOT OK with me in the least!


181 posted on 02/20/2006 3:18:26 PM PST by Marxbites (Freedom is the negation of Govt to the maximum extent possible)
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