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To: Shalom Israel
Schweet! You've switched sides and joined me

Hardly. I merely posted the telegram, and interpreted it differently from you.

Of course, I've got actual history on my side, and all you've got is some cloud-cuckoo version of events that ignores the real reasons why Germany was returning to unrestricted submarine warfare. In Hindenburg's words:

On the other hand, in view of England's economic situation, the Imperial Admiralty promises us that by the ruthless employment of an increased number of U-boats we shall obtain a speedy victory, which will compel our principal enemy, England, to turn to thoughts of peace in a few months. For that reason, the German General Staff is bound to adopt unrestricted U-boat warfare as one of its war measures, because among other things it will relieve the situation on the Somme front by diminishing the imports of munitions and bring the futility of the Entente's efforts at this point plainly before their eyes. Finally, we could not remain idle spectators while England, realising all the difficulties with which she has to contend, makes the fullest possible use of neutral Powers in order to improve her military and economic situation to our disadvantage.

Where's Wilson in this? Why, he's not even in the picture: the Germans' strategic reasoning was bent on taking England out of the war. They were also hoping to break the very effective British blockade of Germany.

It's obvious that Germany meant to resume this policy regardless of anything Wilson may or may not have done. Wilson was left with a need to respond somehow -- either by doing nothing, or by striking back.

You, apparently, would have had him do nothing.

156 posted on 02/20/2006 1:26:37 PM PST by r9etb
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To: r9etb
I merely posted the telegram, and interpreted it differently from you.

Um, the telegram said, "We shall endeavor... to keep the United States... neutral. In the event of this not succeeding..." This isn't tarot cards. It states quite clearly that they were undertaking negotiations in case the US did not remain neutral--which they had reason to fear, since Wilson raised the bar to the point that anything they did against England could be interpreted as an act of war against the US.

... some cloud-cuckoo...

This is FR, FRiend. Everyone reading this thread knows how to interpret your abuse: it means that you aren't confident in your arguments, such as they are, and use rough talk to fortify your lack of conviction. Stick to your argument. Win or lose, you'll look better than you do indulging in this kind of behavior.

In Hindenburg's words:

On the other hand, in view of England's economic situation, the Imperial Admiralty promises us that by the ruthless employment of an increased number of U-boats we shall obtain a speedy victory, which will compel our principal enemy, England, to turn to thoughts of peace in a few months. For that reason, the German General Staff is bound to adopt unrestricted U-boat warfare as one of its war measures, because among other things it will relieve the situation on the Somme front by diminishing the imports of munitions and bring the futility of the Entente's efforts at this point plainly before their eyes. Finally, we could not remain idle spectators while England, realising all the difficulties with which she has to contend, makes the fullest possible use of neutral Powers in order to improve her military and economic situation to our disadvantage.

Awww, you're so sweet. Again you decide to support my side instead of yours! As I said, they were compelled to pursue a speedy victory against England, and one of the primary reason was to prevent her use of "neutral powers" against Germany.

Where's Wilson in this?

If you learn to read, and then go ahead and learn some history, you'll discover that the US was a neutral power at the time. Unless you believe that they were mainly afraid of Sweden, and didn't give a rat's patoot about the US... (chuckle)

157 posted on 02/20/2006 1:36:14 PM PST by Shalom Israel (Pray for the peace of Jerusalem.)
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