Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

Did first Americans come from Europe?
MSNBC ^ | 2/20/06 | By Bjorn Carey

Posted on 02/20/2006 12:01:38 AM PST by minus_273

click here to read article


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first previous 1-20 ... 81-100101-120121-140141-147 next last
To: xcamel
The problem is that people can not accept what is right in front of their eyes.

People of a scientific turn of mind don't use one ambiguous artifact to construct an entire theory of the origins of a people.

I can easily show you modern people who are very much Caucasian and have very similar features to "that statue" - most of which are from New Hampshire, Maine, and Newfoundland.

I don't think you actually can do this. That's an Indian face. Browse a while through this collection of Edward Curtis's photos of Native Americans and open your own mind. Link.

101 posted on 10/10/2006 7:41:07 AM PDT by CobaltBlue (Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice. Moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 99 | View Replies]

To: xcamel
Remarkable similarit, no? Except for the color.


102 posted on 10/10/2006 7:44:31 AM PDT by CobaltBlue (Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice. Moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 99 | View Replies]

To: CobaltBlue
Hate to clue you in on this, but Edward Curtis was a not-to-distant relative of mine, so I'm more than "all checked out" on the "Native American" (sic) "look"

Why is it then there are sub tribal groups of Berber peoples in southern Morocco that look exactly like Lakota Sioux?

103 posted on 10/10/2006 8:01:05 AM PDT by xcamel (Press to Test, Release to Detonate)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 101 | View Replies]

To: blam
The reconstruction of Luzia's features indicates an interpretation casting her as a sub-Saharan African or perhaps an aboriginal Australian. West Africa is closer to the coast of Brazil geographically than coastal Western Europe is to the east coast of Canada and the U.S. A West African origin would seem more realistic than an Australian one. The question arises as to whether West Africans of 11,000 years ago had the technology to cross the South Atlantic by boat. Is there any evidence of West African culture in pre-Columban Brazil? Can genetic testing determine if West African ancestry exists in Brazilian Indians dating back prior to 1492? Or for that matter if tribes in the eastern U.S. and the Canadian Maritimes and Quebec have European or Middle Eastern ancestry from before 1492?
104 posted on 10/10/2006 8:12:16 AM PDT by Wallace T.
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 68 | View Replies]

To: CobaltBlue

mtDNA isn't nuclear DNA, and doesn't tell much of anything (other than possibly suggesting arrival by sea, or arrival of different waves, or much greater antiquity of humans in the Americas, or colonization from east to west, rather than west to east), simply because it is amplified as it is passed to all offspring.


105 posted on 10/10/2006 9:18:00 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (If I had a nut allergy, I'd be outta here. https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 100 | View Replies]

To: CobaltBlue

In the Discovery Channel show Ice Age Columbus, researchers in Canada found that 25% of the Indians there had some European blood, which solidifies the European theory.


106 posted on 10/10/2006 9:57:03 AM PDT by ohioman
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 43 | View Replies]

To: ohioman
...researchers in Canada found that 25% of the Indians there had some European blood...

There has been continuous European contact with the Indians of Eastern Canada (Ontario, Quebec, and the Maritimes) for at least 400 years. (The same holds true for the Indians of the U.S. Eastern Seaboard.) Moreover, the contact has primarily been with Western Europeans, mostly French and British. The modern day French and British have some genetic similarities with the Ice Age inhabitants of Western Europe, a few of whom are supposed to have arrived in eastern North America. How can Western European genes from 10,000 years ago be distinguished from those of modern times?

107 posted on 10/10/2006 10:10:09 AM PDT by Wallace T.
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 106 | View Replies]

To: Wallace T.
'First Americans Were Australians'


108 posted on 10/10/2006 10:29:30 AM PDT by blam
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 104 | View Replies]

To: minus_273

ping for later


109 posted on 10/10/2006 11:25:28 AM PDT by beef (Who Killed Kennewick Man?)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Wallace T.

The show "Ice Age Columbus" explained that much better than I can. It is very interesting to see that we are all related in one way or another.


110 posted on 10/10/2006 2:24:26 PM PDT by ohioman
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 107 | View Replies]

To: CobaltBlue

I was going by your map in post #58, not physical features.


111 posted on 10/10/2006 3:06:11 PM PDT by GoLightly
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 95 | View Replies]

To: Wallace T.
The Mystery Of The Lost Red Paint People

"THE MYSTERY OF THE LOST RED PAINT PEOPLE follows U.S., Canadian, and European scientists from the barrens of Labrador - where archaeologists uncover an ancient stone burial mound - to sites in the U.S., France, England, and Denmark, and to the vast fjords of northernmost Norway where monumental standing stones testify to links among seafaring cultures across immense distances. "

112 posted on 10/10/2006 4:17:04 PM PDT by blam
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 107 | View Replies]

To: CobaltBlue

I saw a show on tv where a Japanese gal had her DNA identified and it came out 30% caucasion. Have you heard that the early Japanese settlers were Siberian and of European descent? I have always wondered this and wanted to verify it.


113 posted on 10/10/2006 4:43:58 PM PDT by ruthles (Just because you're paranoid, doesn't mean people aren't out to get you.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 100 | View Replies]

To: xcamel
Why is it then there are sub tribal groups of Berber peoples in southern Morocco that look exactly like Lakota Sioux?

If you go by "looks" that's in the eye of the beholder.

But the genes don't lie.

114 posted on 10/10/2006 6:22:46 PM PDT by CobaltBlue (Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice. Moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 103 | View Replies]

To: ohioman
25% of the Indians there had some European blood, which solidifies the European theory.

Sorry, that theory is an old one which has been shot down by recent scientific studies.

The X gene found in a few Western Native American tribes is X2, which is Asian in origin, in particular, the Altaic region of Siberia.

The X gene found in Europeans is X1.

Both X1 and X2 are derived from people who originated in the region of Northern Iran.

The X1 went west, the X2 went east.

The genes don't lie.

This is what the Altay look like, which is exactly like Native Americans:


115 posted on 10/10/2006 6:29:40 PM PDT by CobaltBlue (Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice. Moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 106 | View Replies]

To: SunkenCiv
mtDNA isn't nuclear DNA, and doesn't tell much of anything

Sorry to disagree with you, but thousands of genetic researchers, especially genetic archaeologists and genetic anthropologists, disagree with you.

If you have evidence in favor of your theory, perhaps you can enlighten the rest of us with it.

116 posted on 10/10/2006 6:32:31 PM PDT by CobaltBlue (Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice. Moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 105 | View Replies]

To: GoLightly

Go by the genes. It's not at all difficult to google the tests and results. It may well be the most important advance in understanding human history since the birth of writing.


117 posted on 10/10/2006 6:33:48 PM PDT by CobaltBlue (Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice. Moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 111 | View Replies]

To: ruthles

I haven't spent any time at all researching Japanese DNA, but there's a ton of research on this that I've noticed in passing.


118 posted on 10/10/2006 6:36:04 PM PDT by CobaltBlue (Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice. Moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 113 | View Replies]

To: CobaltBlue

Genes lie all the time, and have been doing so for about 800 million years.


119 posted on 10/10/2006 6:36:44 PM PDT by xcamel (Press to Test, Release to Detonate)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 114 | View Replies]

To: xcamel
Genes lie all the time, and have been doing so for about 800 million years.

No. Women have a tendency to lie to men and tell them that they're the father of the brat, not the next door neighbor and not the postman.

But genetic testing of paternity is 99.9% accurate.

(For that matter, men have a tendency to lie to women and tell them that it's just a weird coincidence that the child of their sister or best friend looks just like the man who's swearing he would never, never, ever do such a thing.)

Nope, people lie, but genes don't.

120 posted on 10/10/2006 7:06:06 PM PDT by CobaltBlue (Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice. Moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 119 | View Replies]


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first previous 1-20 ... 81-100101-120121-140141-147 next last

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson