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When Harry Met Blue Eyes: Reid and Sinatra
Original FReeper research | 2/15/2006 | Fedora

Posted on 02/15/2006 11:04:31 AM PST by Fedora

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To: Pietro
Definitely. I think Owney Madden is a good place to start looking there:

Gangland Connection?

During the 1950's, Hot Springs was unlike any other town in the South, and certainly unlike any other town in Arkansas. There was open gambling and prostitution, both illegal, which continued until the late 1960's. A federal investigation circa 1960 concluded that Hot Springs had the largest illegal gambling operations in the United States.There was the race track. There was a system of bribery. There were payoffs. There were people who were above the law. Al Capone is said to have had permanent rights to suite 443 of the Arlington Hotel. From the 1920s, with its barely concealed casinos, Hot Springs generated more income than Las Vegas well into the 1960s. In 1964, the New York Times called Hot Springs the largest illegal casino operation in the United States.

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In the late 1950's, Louis "Chicky" Morse was enjoying the Hot Springs "Casino Night Life", spending both time and money at the track playing the ponies, and rubbing elbows with one Owney Victor Madden. Owen "Owney The Killer" Madden was an English-born New York bootlegger, gangster & murderer. Madden, one time leader of the murderous Gopher Gang on NYC's west side, was involved in hundreds of gang fights from 1903 to 1914. He was an expert user of the blackjack, brass knuckles, & his favorite weapon, a lead pipe wrapped in newspaper. By the time he was 21 he had been arrested more than 40 times, charged with robbery, assault & murder. Hells Kitchen and the surrounding areas including Manhattan were his stomping grounds. In 1914, he was convicted of killing "Little Patty" Doyle, a rival gang leader & sentenced to 10 to 20 years in prison. Released on parole in 1923, Madden became an important bootlegger & speakeasy owner in NY and worked with such criminals as Dutch Schultz, "Lucky" Luciano, Meyer Lansky & Abner "Longy" Zwillman. Owney was ambitious and was steadily working his way up in the echelon of the mob. He was very respected by Mafia bosses and other organized crime figures. Owney had made the "Big Time".

By 1933, Owney was getting a lot of heat in New York. Madden was imprisoned on a parole violation for 12 months. Following his release, it was decided by Lucky Luciano that Owney would go into "retirement", which in the mob usually means no one will ever see him again, but in Owney's case, he was allowed to go to Hot Springs to set up and "oversee" the operations there. Between 1935 and 1937 Owney moved to Hot Springs and bought a house next to St. Johns Catholic church, covered with roses. He would often be seen around town with the Mayor, Sheriff, and assorted Judges. He married a Hot Springs woman. [Note: Prior to his marriage to the "Hot Springs woman", Owney was married to Mae West. They divorced in 1943]. He was often seen out on the streets tipping his hat to all the women. He gave impressive donations to the Boys Club. He could always be counted on to come across with a little money for any good cause. He joined the chamber of commerce, contributed to all church fund drives and even gave the city 2 swimming pools - one for the whites and one for the blacks. He was quoted as saying, "Never underestimate the effectiveness of a straight cash bribe." And everybody said, "Oh Owney is just here. He's just retired in Hot Springs. He's just down here for the climate. He really likes it here." But that wasn't the case at all. He probably owned (there is no concrete proof of this, they didn't write these things down) controlling interests in almost all the gambling. He certainly brought the wire service in that brought racing results in every day so the horse books could operate. But to all intents and purposes he was just a nice old gentleman, walking around the streets. Owney was appreciated in Hot Springs, but from a distance. When Wes Pruden was assigned by his newspaper in Little Rock to cover the winter dinner of the Hot Springs Chamber of Commerce circa 1955, he recalls "they put Owney and his missus at the out-of-the-way table in the corner set aside for the reporters. Owney didn't seem to mind, but he noticed. "I know most of the guys in the room," Owney said, looking up from the hickory-smoked ham and raisin sauce a la Arlington Hotel, "but they don't want to say hello tonight. That's all right. They put me in good company." Owney was amused to settle for a place next to the son of a locally famous Baptist preacher".

Once firmly established, Owney Madden laid the groundwork for gangsters "on the lam" to hide out in Hot Springs. The city had a resort-like atmosphere and elegant nightlife, with people coming and going all the time. This was the perfect situation to "hide" mobsters who couldn't be seen in their hometowns. Al Capone would stay at the Arlington Hotel when things got too hot in Chicago, and Lucky Luciano hid in Hot Springs when a nation-wide search for him was ordered by Thomas Dewey. Luciano is ultimately arrested in a Hot Springs gambling club. Many small time gangsters sought and found refuge in Hot Springs. These gangsters were seen around town, and the authorities knew who they were, but they made no moves to arrest them or alert other agencies to their presence. During this time, Owney was still an influential mobster and was skimming off profits from the illegal activities in Hot Springs and these profits were going to the Mafia. Owney Madden was the overseer of everything and watched out for the New York mob's interests.

Owney had become the most famous resident of Hot Springs, Arkansas, the South’s Saratoga Springs. Whenever he would return to New York the police would escort him out of the City. The charge: vagrancy. Southern politicians were more flexible and Owney was a fixture at society parties for many years.

The Arkansas House of Representatives passed a resolution on Thursday March 26, 1964, calling on Hot Springs officials to close down all illegal gambling. Dick Van Dyke was the entertainer who closed the Vapors that fateful night.

Owney Madden passed away, shortly after the shut down, in 1964. Louis Morse died four years later in 1968. The Vapors was closed after a raid in 1967. The building that was the Vapors still stands today, inhabited by Pastor Jim Frazier of the Tower of Strength Ministries, and is part of the Vapors Shopping Center, complete with a sign out front bearing the original Vapors logo.

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I find it interesting that we first find Louis Morse and Owney Madden both growing up in the same neighborhood, the "Hells Kitchen" area of New York during the 1900's. Add the fact that Louis Morse and Owney Madden both relocate to Hot Springs, Arkansas within a very close time frame. Combine this with the fact that during their lives in Hot Springs they were friends. One can't but wonder if Louis and Owney weren't associates rather than friends. Possibly in New York and in Hot Springs. We know why Owney moved to Hot Springs. The question that remains is "What drew Louis to the "Saratoga Springs of the South". Definitely food for thought.

81 posted on 02/16/2006 10:23:46 AM PST by Fedora
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To: Liz
Cassini claimed Joe K was a womanizer

From what I've read, everyone who knew him claimed that :-)

He wrote that he never knew of or saw JFK fooling around

He must've not attended Peter Lawford's parties. . .

82 posted on 02/16/2006 10:29:16 AM PST by Fedora
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To: Fedora
Check out my book "Banking in the American West from the Gold Rush to Deregulation," with Lynne Pierson Doti. That, and other info on A.P., is in there.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0806123737/qid=1140120527/sr=1-3/ref=sr_1_3/104-3621788-2116757?s=books&v=glance&n=283155

83 posted on 02/16/2006 12:08:20 PM PST by LS (CNN is the Amtrak of news)
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To: Fedora

Yes, that's the rumor.....however, Cassini has a lot of credibility about bedding down in and out of marriage, due to the fact that Oleg was one of the foremost swordsman who plied his wares on two continents.

In Hollywood (as Gene Tierney's husband), New York, where he was a designer, and the entire European continent which was his second home and his winter ski playground, Cassini knew all the notorious womanizers like Rubirosa, and traveled with the best of the them all his life.


84 posted on 02/16/2006 1:24:53 PM PST by Liz (Liberty consists in having the power to do that which is permitted by the law. Cicero)
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To: nickcarraway
Is it true this meeting inspired Sinatra's #1 hit, Something Stupid?

After this hit, the record company asked Frank to do a sequel to it. Frank asked, "What are you going to call it?

"Something even more stupid?"

85 posted on 02/16/2006 1:35:10 PM PST by HIDEK6
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To: LS

Thanks!--I will read that.


86 posted on 02/16/2006 2:13:25 PM PST by Fedora
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To: Liz
Yes, that's the rumor....

More than a rumor: there were wiretaps on some of that. For a while JFK was afraid it was going to mushroom into a US counterpart to the Profumo-Keeler scandal, but Congress was persuaded not to make an issue of it because there was enough dirt to bring both parties down, so it was hushed up.

87 posted on 02/16/2006 2:23:16 PM PST by Fedora
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To: Fedora

Referring to a July 1965 FBI document that claimed JFK was apparently involved in sex parties at the Hotel Carlyle in New York City?

Maybe Cassini was covering up for JFK, although Oleg dished the dirt on nearly everybody else, including himself.


Don't want to appear to be defending JFK......just passing along info that's hardly been mentioned, from what I consider to be two reliable sources......Cassini and Frank's valet.


88 posted on 02/16/2006 2:40:22 PM PST by Liz (Liberty consists in having the power to do that which is permitted by the law. Cicero)
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To: Fedora

Good Post! Reference bump! :-)


89 posted on 02/16/2006 2:55:27 PM PST by Tunehead54 (Nothing funny here ;-)
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To: Leisler

Except when it comes to business which does not cough up the protection money. Then it is hard to argue (even with tongue in cheek) that burning the store down is "pro-growth."


90 posted on 02/16/2006 2:57:57 PM PST by justshutupandtakeit (Public Enemy #1, the RATmedia.)
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To: justshutupandtakeit
Except when it comes to business which does not cough up the protection money

Try not paying your sales and/or payroll taxes for a quarter or two.

You'll WISH you were dealing with the Mob!

91 posted on 02/16/2006 3:19:47 PM PST by wireman
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To: justshutupandtakeit
"Except when it comes to....

"Except" would make it an exception, wouldn't it? Anyways, if people really wanted the government services the governmentalist say that people do, then make it voluntary. This would expose the amount of support these services have. Naturally, this is why the government uses force, abiet more rational and organized force.

92 posted on 02/16/2006 3:29:30 PM PST by Leisler (Islam Macht Fries!)
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To: Liz
Don't want to appear to be defending JFK......just passing along info that's hardly been mentioned

Oh, I know, and I appreciate that :-) I like to be aware of what's been said on this by different sources.

I wasn't referring to the 1965 document you mention--was actually conflating a number of different documents/events into a summary. Some things I sort of had in the back of my head were the bug on Inga Arvad (where I believe the actual affair was recorded), the wiretap on Rosselli's conversations with Giancana that generated information on Campbell and Monroe (this was more indirect evidence than the Arvad bug but pretty strong, moreso in the case of Campbell where there were extensive phone log records of her calls to the White House), and the Ellen Rometsch affair (where there are not records of the affair itself but significant documentation of the subsequent cover-up efforts organized by Bobby Kennedy). There were numerous other allegations not necessarily supported by wiretaps mentioned in FBI files, some more strongly corroborated than others. One of relevance to the present thread was a report the LA FBI office received that two prostitutes entertained Kennedy and Sinatra just before the 1960 Democratic convention; this information was passed onto Bobby Kennedy in 1962 IIRC, and I don't know what became of it after that.

93 posted on 02/16/2006 4:11:33 PM PST by Fedora
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To: Fedora

Owney Madden moved to Hot Springs after an assassination attempt in NYC and helped move the mob in. Virginia's dad Billy's Grandad was a bookie according to rumor. Horse racing was big in Hot Springs and mobster's are draw to the horse shit faster than flies.


94 posted on 02/16/2006 7:52:54 PM PST by justshutupandtakeit (Public Enemy #1, the RATmedia.)
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To: Polyxene

Nah that was set in the fifties.


95 posted on 02/16/2006 7:54:02 PM PST by justshutupandtakeit (Public Enemy #1, the RATmedia.)
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To: Liz

Frank's problem at the time was Ava Gardner not young babes though.


96 posted on 02/16/2006 7:57:54 PM PST by justshutupandtakeit (Public Enemy #1, the RATmedia.)
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To: Fedora

Not to mention orgiating and swapping poon.


97 posted on 02/16/2006 7:59:14 PM PST by justshutupandtakeit (Public Enemy #1, the RATmedia.)
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To: Miss Marple

There is a deep and long lived relation between the Chicago RAT machine and the mob. It even had its own Congressional seat for years filled by Frank Annunnzio. Giancana's son-in-law was his chief of staff.


98 posted on 02/16/2006 8:02:34 PM PST by justshutupandtakeit (Public Enemy #1, the RATmedia.)
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To: akorahil

That's a cool song.


99 posted on 02/16/2006 8:03:38 PM PST by Rastus
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To: Liz

That double cross led to JFK's death some maintain.


100 posted on 02/16/2006 8:04:10 PM PST by justshutupandtakeit (Public Enemy #1, the RATmedia.)
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