[MikefromOhio]

It's funny how SOCIALIST-LIKE these threads become...

Wage-earners...

more government control....

to quote Sen. Byrd: "Too much consumin' goin' on out there"....

It's great.

At least Pat got off of his Hate Israel kick. Not that his followers will see it that way, but then again, it isn't as if Pat will EVER win ANYTHING.....

[Richard Kimball]

Man, this thread shows what a change has taken place on FR over the last six years. There used to be a pretty vigorous Buchanan brigade.

Just a point, I've seen Buchanan trashed a lot on this thread, but haven't seen any significant refutations of his points. I'm no economist, so I don't know, but without reference to who wrote the column, are there flaws? What are they?

Oh, as a side note, and I've never gotten this one straight in my head. The constitution requires all treaties to be validated by a 2/3rds vote of Congress. Did Congress side-step this by calling it an agreement instead of a treaty? Or was it passed by a 2/3rds vote. If it wasn't, shouldn't NAFTA be challenged in Federal court? Calling a treaty an agreement doesn't change the nature of what it is, and I think that there is substantive legal support that changing the name of something without changing it's underlying nature does not change legal ramifications(Example, calling a chain letter an "investment opportunity" doesn't mean it's not a chain letter).

[concrete is my business]

The so called "service" industry he bad mouths IS the largest part of the USA economy.

Even Pat is in it. shesh

And the average earnings for even "unskilled" tradesmen willing to go to work in Fort Mac, Alberta right now is $80,000 US a year.

Blame NAFTA.

[M203M4]

Oh why oh why wasn't Pat the Great nominated for the Republican party in 92 or 96? He could have saved America from the evils of unbridled capitalism - with it, Bush is ruining the economy. The percentages of the motherland are falling, the PERCENTAGES!! We need more government regulations to protect us from the wicked people with money (mammon) and products (I don't believe in economics - I never learned about it in high school). We need to make products more expensive - that way, our families can truly benefit.

Pat is having an off day - he left out some things. No more blood for oil in Iraq - where are those BLTs??? 9/11 was our fault for being imperialists...terrorists hate us for what we do, not what we are. Those evil Mohammad cartoons insulted the great prophet - the damn secular hedonists with their freedom of speech, while the poor neo-nazis in Germany are persecuted. Diesel engines.

There, fixed it.

[Jack Black]

Time to make some popcorn. This should be fun. NAFTA supporters, where are you ?

[markedman]

Let's see:

No one is watching our southern border, and very few seem to care; as evidenced by most of the flat-world-flat-head responses.

Military hardware components are frequently made outside the us. That makes a lot of sense; to someone.

Dubai just purchased the management rights to all of the US' major ports, which they bought from the Brits. See the page 19 blurb for the story.

Free trade is not free and will ultimately cost the US its future. Economically unpatriotic? You bet!

Right on Pat.

[KenmcG414]

To think I once supported this jerk!!. Reminds one of Barry Goldwater who went liberal toward the end.

[ghitma]

Pat is dead on with this. The jobs that the admin crows about are jobs I used to have in high school. A trained out of work engineer getting a job in Walmart should not be counted in these job numbers. The admins employment numbers are misleading. My fellow freepers will sing a different song when the out sourcing/unemployment gun points at them.

[doctor noe]

What is Pat's brother, Bay, doing these days?

[BlueNgold]

Sure, Pat, we'll just put up a big wall, keep everyone out and keep the American's locked in tight ...

[stand4somethin]

Sorry Freepers Against Buchanon... I agree with Pat. I know, I know.... he's a goofy and sometimes hostile little feller... but I think our relationship with China is a one way street to their prosperity and our slavery. We are already at a point of no return. If we cut ourselves free of Middle East oil... China would just buy it up. Once China gets a navy... and their workin' on it... you'll all wish we would have listened to that goofy little hostile feller Patty B !

[taxed2death]

....kinda strange how there's dozens and dozens of personal attacks against PJB yet no one (I stopped reading at about post 75) takes his article head on and disputes it...

[Ciexyz]

My sympathies to those unemployed or underemployed.

[Fruitbat]

Not sure this will get to anyone burried this deep in the thread, but I have a question for an economist likely;

Why is it that "manufacturing jobs" appear to be the hallmark of a healthy economy?

I mean if service jobs, and now I'm sure many services offered to other nations or companies in other nations, at least some (perhaps some insight there too please), are plentiful, then why is that bad per se in the context of this topic?

I.e., if Americans can make more in service jobs than in "turn, tap, zap" type of manufacturing jobs, why is that bad for the economy overall?

Any other light on the subject would be appreciated. I've got a decent education in economy and business, but have never gotten a good breakdown on this topic area.

[nopardons]

Gee...yet another long, ridiculous, foaming at the mouth screed from Crazy Pat?

Go Pat Go............get thee to the nearest lunatic asylum.

[Casloy]

How is it if the trade deficit is so bad, we never seem to have a bad economy during high trade deficits?

[mombonn]

Shouldn't that be Pat Pukecanon?

What a waste of oxygen.

[Revolting cat!]

Buchanan may be right or he may be wrong, but no one here has refuted his strongest points about job loss, trade deficits and such. It's always about Buchanan. Lame. Weak. This is because (1) we don't have in this country an opposition. Moonbat left doesn't count, for obvious reasons. (2) Anyone who lost a contest is automatically considered a "loser". The Seahawks are "losers" having reached Super Bowl. Buchanan, Keyes are both now "losers" after being heroes on this very forum. I'll tell you who the real losers are: the infantile simpletons who operate using such categories.

As far as free trade, the only free trade, that is trade free of government intervention, I see, is drug smuggling, and smuggling in general. Let's not kid ourselves, the gummint exerts control over trade of all kinds of goods in small and big ways. "Free trade" as promoted by politicians is just another euphemism. End rant.

[LibertarianCandidate]

No one wants to buy and of the s#%t that we make. What about counting the sale of subscriptions on FreeRepublic to freedom-loving foreigners? This could help even out our trade deficit.

[SunkenCiv]

America: Pat Buchanan's Hollow Head