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To: Lancer_N3502A
You're in error. Even Paul Cameron only claimed the number was 54% and that was by assuming all male-on-male molestations are committed by homosexuals and bisexuals. His claim is not about actual sexual orientation but merely the genders of the perp and victim. This is still no where near your "80+ percent" claim and even Cameron's assertion has been debunked.

Crime statistics tell us "The perpetrators of sexual abuse are overwhelmingly male. Studies using the law enforcement as well as victim self-report data found that more than 90% of the perpetrators of sexual offenses against minors were male[15, 16]." (pg. 8, PDF) AND "Across different types of research—all reliable studies conclude that girls experience more sexual abuse than do boys. Studies have found that the percent of victims who are female range from 78% to 89% [16]." (pg. 6, PDF)

Summary: perps (90% of which are male) are molesting child victims (78-89% of which are female). Thus, there is *NO WAY* homosexual (male-on-male molestation) represent the majority of child molestation/pedophilia incidents by any reasonable (or Cameron's misleading) measure.

Perhaps you should bone up on some facts before tossing around false or misleading numbers.

46 posted on 02/11/2006 6:03:44 PM PST by newzjunkey (In 2006: Reelect Arnold; Get GOP Elected in CA; Halt W's Amnesty for Illegals. Win in Iraq.)
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To: newzjunkey
Your "some facts" link (which, incidentally has the word 'rainbow' in the url) is a typical pseudointellectual faux analysis.

From your link:

Cameron's claims hinge on the fallacious assumption that all male-male molestations are committed by homosexuals.
Male-male molestations are intrinsically homosexual. To suggest otherwise is absurdly dishonest -- unless, maybe, being married proves heterosexuality despite homosexual activity. Silliness, and the gay community's monolithic parroting of such mind-bending nonsense is just another illustration of the fact that the state of being overtly gay involves an element of proactive antisocial hostility.
48 posted on 02/11/2006 6:53:08 PM PST by Yeti ("He might be drunk!")
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To: newzjunkey; Yeti; warsaw44
Yeti, you are correct in that the link is definitely to a pro homo site.

Warsaw, this is my link: http://www.afa.net/homosexual_agenda/childrend.asp

Which by the way newzjunkey includes little facts like "86% of child molesters identified themselves as homosexual or bisexual" and "homosexuals are at least 8-12 times more likely to molest children than heterosexuals"

So either your naively mislead or a supporter of the agenda.
51 posted on 02/11/2006 7:36:49 PM PST by Lancer_N3502A
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To: newzjunkey
What is their definition of a ' child ' . Are they talking about a child under the age of 18 or a child who is in their teens? I know that many of the same sex pedophile priests harmed teenage boys in the range of 13-16. Many of those priests were entirely gay.
53 posted on 02/11/2006 7:47:04 PM PST by warsaw44
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To: newzjunkey
Summary: perps (90% of which are male) are molesting child victims (78-89% of which are female). Thus, there is *NO WAY* homosexual (male-on-male molestation) represent the majority of child molestation/pedophilia incidents by any reasonable (or Cameron's misleading) measure.

Are you attempting to protect the always to be viewed as morally bankrupt image of homosexual predators or just disordered homosexuals in general? You fight for a moral and political losing cause -a cause supposedly not even provided ground on FR...

Here is some 'data' for you from a recent study that the MSM and you seem to ignore:

USCCB - The Nature and Scope of the Problem of Sexual Abuse of Minors by Catholic Priests and Deacons in the United States

The study results show overwhelming findings that objectively one must draw but only one legitimate conclusion -homosexual predation was the primary activity that the sexual abuse was evidenced...

Some argue that the homosexual acts were not homosexual because only children were physically or psychologically raped of their innocence -they have as yet no 'orientation' and or mature sexuality or that the subjective rainbow gender spectrum rather than the binary 'sex' is an appropriate sexual identifier (very similar to the abortion argument claiming a baby is but a lump of flesh)? Some argue that the homosexual acts were not done by homosexuals (as if homosexual activity that defines homosexuals somehow does not now define homosexuals)?

It is weird logic to ignore that which specifically differentiates those who suffer from the homosexual disorder that predisposes them to homosexual activity and or those that actually participate in the activity and argue that this has nothing to do with homosexuals and or homosexual activity?

Regardless the politically correct illogical argumentative gymnastics and contrived hoops that some may posit I jump through -I myself will remain standing on Terra firma --simply put, the discussion involves activity -the abuse a majority of which was homosexual -the study was objectively scientific -not subjectively politically correct -as such a homosexual act was categorized a homosexual act and same sex sexual activity was identified as such...

The homosexual disorder is objectively defined by a predisposition to the activity... Homosexual activity is objectively defined by the activity -not the cause -not the intent -not anything morally irrelevant... Homosexual activists may gnash their teeth all they want -the facts speak for themselves...

Some still choose to ignore the obvious -regardless, the ignorance and or denial in this area will be overcome in the Church -the only question is will secular society get a clue or will it continue with its head in the politically correct sands of moral relativism?

In summary, objectively as to the sexual abuse of children all that is known is the activity -objectively, the majority of activity was homosexual predation -period...

Small except:

John Jay Study - Summary results: Characteristics of the incidents of alleged sexual abuse by priests (Adobe Acrobat PDF Document)

The study produced some important findings about the nature of child sexual abuse in the Catholic Church.

  • Unlike in the general population, more males than females were allegedly. In fact, there was a significant difference between genders, with four out of five alleged victims being male.

  • The majority of alleged victims were post-pubescent, with only a small percentage of priests receiving allegations of abusing young children.

  • The allegations of sexual abuse involved a variety of sexual acts, and most of the priests involved were alleged to have committed multiple acts per victim. Indeed, much of the sexual abuse reported involved serious sexual offenses.

  • According to the allegations of sexual abuse, the most frequent context of the sexual incidents occurred during a social event. Additionally, many of the priests with allegations of abuse socialized with the family of the alleged victim.

  • The most common place of occurrence was the residence of the priest though incidents of abuse allegedly occurred in a wide variety of locations.

I note again clearly that this study confirms what other also not overly publicized or widely known or acknowledged studies have found -homosexual predation...

Considering the small population of self declared homosexuals 2~3 % and the number of cases where sexual abuse is homosexual in nature versus heterosexual in nature it is objectively obvious that if a child is left unattended with an individual of the same sex and the individual is homosexual that the child is very very much more likely to be sexually abused than if the child was left unattended with a heterosexual!

59 posted on 02/21/2006 10:50:38 AM PST by DBeers (†)
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