To: Reaganwuzthebest; Dane
For all interested here is the URL that will take you to the actual text of the Cornyn bill. http://www.cornyn.senate.gov/immigration/ I haven't begun to read it section by section which I intend to do. Based on the summary and skimming some parts of the bill the proposed legislation contains a lot of good things. The guest worker program proposed is much more restrictive than the one the President proposed and it appears to be quite similar to the Bracero program which operated well until the Kennedy Administration canceled it.
The increase in enforcement officers proposed would be useful but the bill does not get into the general area of border security. The problems we have with illegal entry will not be cured without a real commitment to control the frontiers of the US by the national government working with the border states. That seems to me to belong to another piece of legislation. In effect there has to be a 'Border Security Act' in tandem with proposals such as this one. The technical means are certainly readily available to make this happen. What is lacking is the political will to do it generated both by large campaign donations from industries that are financially helped in a major way by the presence of a large, continually refreshed pool of illegal aliens and from the Democrats firm commitment to creating another 'black vote' block by encouraging a new underclass that will serve and reinforce the same role that the inner city black vote does.
This bill seems to be silent on general repatriation of illegals. After watching the circus that has surrounded attempts in this country to prosecute aliens who are either allies or enablers of Muslim terrorists I have come to the reluctant conclusion that mass repatriation is just not a political reality. Any attempt would almost instantly mobilize the forces of the Dems, the 'civil rights' industry, the 'human rights' lobby, and a host of other leftists including in all of these many lawyers. The latter would be delighted to engage in the delaying and procrastinating tactics used with death penalty cases to draw out many deportations to absurd lengths.
In the last half century the courts and the Congress has created such a webwork of laws and administrative regulations that any reasonably clever group can tie the governments hands in most large scale internal security operations. (That is one reason the Dems are so incoherently rageful over the President's end run around this hedge of obstruction in some part of the War on Terror through robust use of the presidential war powers.)
Unless Mexico were to conduct very large scale attacks on the US using its regular armed forces mass expulsion of illegals is just not a political reality. What has to be done is the porous border ended for good and the border and ports of entry really controlled tightly as a matter of national security. The illegals here will have to be dealt with through some sort of combination amnesty and police measures to insure speedy and prompt deportation of any illegal who commits a felony or even certain misdemeanors. Ideally this should be for how ever long the person lives here. In this way there would always be a legal stigma on these people even if they had completed citizenship requirements after a period being a registered resident alien. To the maximum degree possible those here illegally who do not come forward and enter into the amnesty program should be promptly deported when found. Employers who continue to hire illegals should face very stiff fines and criminal penalties.
These solutions while not ideal would enable the US to gain control of both a dangerous threat to national security and end a critical socially destabilizing condition.
To: robowombat
Lots of good points in your post that I agree with, Kyl/Cornyn is better legislatively than McCain/Kennedy though both of them imo would make the problem worse, we need to get operational control of the border and massive deportations would never fly.
But once the border was closed the government could at least begin the attrition process of deporting those they come in contact with. They won't even do that today and then they expect us to believe if they get their amnesty/guest worker program they'll suddenly doing it?
They have no credibilility on this issue and the way Bush is attempting to sneak in $247 for a program not even approved yet I think he knows they're not trusted to follow up with enforcement and so he's trying to ignore the justifiable criticism and ram it through.
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