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Norwegians more skeptical of Islam
Aftenposten (Norway) ^ | February 08 2006

Posted on 02/08/2006 12:35:28 PM PST by Mount Athos

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To: Mount Athos

So they think a cartoon has outraged Muslims?

That is pretty comical but like American liberals.


41 posted on 02/08/2006 1:19:03 PM PST by alisasny (<h3>"Watching Ted Kennedy is a nonintellectual feast."</h3>)
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To: bikepacker67

More like seventyis. and yes, I could, but nothing pretty


42 posted on 02/08/2006 1:19:24 PM PST by munin ( I support the war on Muslim terror and GWB Multi culturism will be the bane of our civilication)
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To: Seydlitz

A Norwegian I met in Chiapas (Mexico) a few years back made the same points you did.


43 posted on 02/08/2006 1:21:43 PM PST by Clemenza (I saw the best minds of my generation destroyed by madness, starving hysterical naked...)
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To: munin
I could, but nothing pretty

Well that's the point.

This lazy, leisured, layabouts need to understand that their lifestyle is being threatened.

44 posted on 02/08/2006 1:22:02 PM PST by bikepacker67 (Islam was born of Hagar the whore.)
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To: Seydlitz

I have several friends in Norway who I have known since the early 80's.

Their disdain for USA is palpable. I recall a whole story from a guy named TOM about America's "pigs in the forest" referring to slavery as he sat and sucked bone marrow out of chicken bones.

On the day of 911 I got a phone call from them. Nervous they were and ready to condemn President Bush to which I had a fruity reply of I trust my President he is a good and he will lead my country right in its defense of this terrorism. I got a gasp. I guess they wished Al Gore was in charge???


45 posted on 02/08/2006 1:22:47 PM PST by alisasny (<h3>"Watching Ted Kennedy is a nonintellectual feast."</h3>)
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To: Flavius Josephus

Most Iranians that I have met here are anti-Islamist. The women don't even wear chadors. I do agree, however, that we need to be very suspicious of "foreign students" from certain counties.


46 posted on 02/08/2006 1:23:41 PM PST by Clemenza (I saw the best minds of my generation destroyed by madness, starving hysterical naked...)
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To: Mount Athos

What a stupid poll.

They asked if peoples opinions changed, and not what their actual opinion was before or after...

So they have no idea if the people who's opinion didn't change were already solidly against the Muslim incursion.

Duh...


47 posted on 02/08/2006 1:27:29 PM PST by DB (©)
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To: ozoneliar
I see you have a chain of good replies, so I'll add my insignificant two cents worth.
We should have been awakened by the attack at the Berlin Olympics, at the hijacking and murder on the liner Achille Lauro. It goes on from there, a long chain of barbaric and murderous incidents, each one of which should have alerted us to the nature of these people. But hope springs eternal and we would rather not face the hard facts in the face of the evidence. Glad to have you aboard.
48 posted on 02/08/2006 1:31:13 PM PST by ArmyTeach (Pray daily for our troops.)
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To: brownsfan

You've never actually been there, have you?


49 posted on 02/08/2006 1:41:41 PM PST by Constantine XIII
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To: brownsfan

IIRC, that was Sweden.


50 posted on 02/08/2006 1:42:22 PM PST by Constantine XIII
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To: bikepacker67

Lazy? More like, efficient. Even corrected for the extra income (resource interest) from the oil sector, Norway has the highest per-hour productivity of any country including the States.


51 posted on 02/08/2006 1:48:14 PM PST by ProudNorseman
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To: Constantine XIII
"You've never actually been there, have you?"

And your point?
Are you trying to establish a ground rule that says if you haven't been there you can't comment?
If you read my comment, I say they appear to be an ignorant pile of self absorbtion. The connotation is that I am observing from afar.
No, I've never been there. So, I ask, your point?
52 posted on 02/08/2006 1:54:26 PM PST by brownsfan (It's not a war on terror... it's a war with islam.)
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To: Constantine XIII

"IIRC, that was Sweden."

Now, I'm not 100% sure. Same land mass, different side. But now I'm not sure if it was Norway or Sweden in the article.


53 posted on 02/08/2006 1:56:36 PM PST by brownsfan (It's not a war on terror... it's a war with islam.)
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To: Mount Athos
A small group of 6.5 percent said they were less skeptical about Islam after the turmoil.?????? .......................................................

LESS SKEPTICAL ??? These 6.5 percent are need to go wave their Norweigan flags in front of their embassy that muslims are protesting. Poll them again after they spend 5 minutes there. I think they will change their answer ???

54 posted on 02/08/2006 2:00:30 PM PST by PETEPARSLEY ("WHATEVER" is a coward's way of saying F U)
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To: brownsfan

Sweden is way more looney left, and has a much larger radical Muslim population, than Norway. Many Norwegians think that the Swedes are a little bit "out there." :)


55 posted on 02/08/2006 2:03:17 PM PST by Constantine XIII
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To: Uncledave
”About 6.8 percent said they were less suspicious of Norwegian Muslims after the controversy.”

Those were the Muslims within the sample

I was wondering who would be less suspicious after this, you are most likely correct. sad

56 posted on 02/08/2006 2:11:53 PM PST by Steve Van Doorn (*in my best Eric cartman voice* “I love you guys”)
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To: wayfaring-stranger
It must have something to do with the cold that makes their brains slow.

Certainly works for northerners here in the U.S.

57 posted on 02/08/2006 2:17:16 PM PST by Triggerhippie (Plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose.)
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To: Clemenza

Oh, this was back in 1978. The students were ALL anti what passed for Islamist at the time (Khomeini's revolutionaries) because they came from families that had done well under the Shah. I'm not saying that it was fair that they took mock hostages. It wasn't fair that Ahmedinejihad and his little thug buddies violated our embassy and kidnapped our people either. The only thing I think we're missing today is that nobody stands up for America like that. There are no anti-Muslim demonstrations, and if there were they would probably be SWATted down with overwhelming force. It's a hate crime to speak against Islam.


58 posted on 02/08/2006 2:25:44 PM PST by Flavius Josephus (Enemy Idealogies: Pacifism, Liberalism, and Feminism, Islamic Supremacism)
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To: ozoneliar
Although I am not old enough to remember the Hostage crisis, but it sounds like it should have woken up the whole world.

It was a dreary, depressing period, one of the lowest in the nation's history, and certainly the worst in my lifetime. Jimmy Carter was certainly right about the "national malaise," but wrong to blame it on the people, instead of the incompetence and pusillanimity of our government and other elite institutions.

Everything seemed to have been going wrong for the previous ten or twelve years, especially the humiliating pullout from Vietnam. The 60's and 70's saw the loss of many small nations to Communism, and the prospect of losing many more to a Soviet Union that seemed twelve feet tall in those days.

There had been the Arab oil embargo in 1974, another oil crisis in 1979, gas rationing, price controls, wage controls, inflation, unemployment, recession, riots by hippies/yippies/urban blacks, strikes, Watergate and other political scandals, and every other kind of social disorder you can name. Crime skyrocketed. Charles Manson and his gang, the Son of Sam, and the Symbionese Liberation Army brought a new kind of terror to our streets and homes, of which the Unabomber was only an echo. Religion faltered, as mainline Protestant denominations and Catholic liberation theologists focused on their own lame conceptions of social justice, and ignored the well-being of their congregations' immortal souls.

The schools were no help; the Marxist educational establishment spent as much time stoking fears of nuclear annihilation as teaching the three R's. Be thankful that kids today only have to deal with global warming hysteria and classes in how to put condoms on bananas. Imagine that kind of leftist indoctrination, multiplied by four or five, for an idea of how it was for a school kid back then.

The music of the 70's mostly sucked compared to the 50's and 60's, especially at the end of the 70's when disco came along. The automobile industry set records for shoddy design and workmanship that will never again be equaled. The dollar's value crumpled, and gold tripled in price. High interest rates meant would-be home buyers were locked into renting. Farms and businesses failed by the millions. Everything pointed to a continued downward spiral of failure and stagnation.

Jimmy Carter embodied the cramped, cranky, dour, pessimistic mood of the time. As he hectored us to turn down our thermostats and wear sweaters all the time indoors, as we festered in our malaise, everyone understood his subtext: Lower your expectations of the American Dream, and accept that the nation's zenith already lay behind us. Oh, it was an awful time. I feel like my memories of those days should be in Depression-era black-and-white.

To cap the worst decade of my life, the howling Mahometan hordes took over Iran, and invaded our embassy. Dozens of our fellow citizens were held hostage for more than a year, while Carter dithered and dallied. He finally approved a pitifully inadequate helicopter-borne rescue attempt that ended in even more failure and ignominy than anything that came before.

The election of Reagan, along with the ascension of Maggie Thatcher and Pope John Paul II, were like a beam of sunlight the morning after a ferocious storm. I will forever be proud that I cast my first-ever vote for Ronald Reagan. The Iranians recognized that they were dealing with an entirely different sort of man, and released our hostages the day he was inaugurated. Since 1980, there have been some stumbles along the way, but the general course has been ever more onwards and upwards.

My mind has been made up about the Muslim world since the hostage crisis. From then on, I never expected anything better from the murderous Ishmaelite filth, and nothing since then has shown this opinion to be wrong. In every question of international relations, I have known for almost thirty years that there is no point in treating the Muslim world as anything more than a particularly vicious and poisonous snake. Some of my countrymen didn't learn this lesson until September 11, and it looks like Europe is now in the midst of the same eye-opening experience. May this enlightenment continue to grow and mature, as we prepare once and for all for the final clash of civilizations.

-ccm

59 posted on 02/08/2006 2:27:42 PM PST by ccmay (Too much Law; not enough Order)
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To: Mount Athos

Methinks that most of those in a civilized world will have issues with their children being raped by these animals.


60 posted on 02/08/2006 4:25:30 PM PST by Cobra64
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