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"1-3 million illegals will not circumvent our southern border by sailing their schooners up our coasts of first going to canada and sneaking in that way. To say that the same or even close to the same amount would get here disregards logic and logistics for that matter."

Unless we increase enforcement and deportation, a fence will accomplish exactly nothing--they'll still be coming in and their number will continue increasing. The only thing is that the rate of increase will drop a little. You underevaluate the force of human ingenuity.

OTOH, with sufficient increase in enforcement and penalties against employment, we probably won't NEED the fence in the first place.

How do we get around the CA courts to enforce any immigration laws in CA. ? Prop 187 was approved by CA voters and later ruled unconstitutional by our courts. It has been policy within the police and sheriff departments in at least San Bernardino and Riverside counties since the early 80's that you cannot call INS for an illegal unless he commits a crime other than being illegal.

I have always thought that for at least CA the guest worker program would work as long as there was a part II. That being that if they did not have a guest worker card in their possession we could contact INS to deport them.

IMO, I think the only answer to this will come when we have a majority on the SCOTUS so they can overrule the CA courts