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Hayworth Says Only American People Can Halt Bush's Guest-Worker Plan
HumanEventsOnline.com ^ | Feb 7, 2006 | Robert B. Bluey

Posted on 02/07/2006 9:59:00 AM PST by boryeulb

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To: Cboldt

Thanks. My link timed out, I see.


82 posted on 02/07/2006 1:45:19 PM PST by savedbygrace (SECURE THE BORDERS FIRST (I'M YELLING ON PURPOSE))
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To: savedbygrace
Thanks. My link timed out, I see.

Finding the durable links is a tricky proposition, and they are typically not "directly" on the page that one is citing.

83 posted on 02/07/2006 1:52:13 PM PST by Cboldt
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To: Wonder Warthog

I have never said a fence by itself would solve the border issues. I have always said it will be a complicated process, requiring many steps. If step one is not a fence, then the other steps are meaningless.

You can't deport them faster than they can illegally enter, without a barrier. What we have now is a revolving door. Illegals return within hours or days of being deported, and the Border Patrol itself admits to only catching about 1/3 of the estimated 3 million illegal crossers each year.

Here is an interesting link to an article that came out about a year ago in USA Today. It will help you get some perspective on the illegal problem we really have on this border. I live very near the area discussed in the article.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2005-02-22-border-patrol_x.htm


84 posted on 02/07/2006 2:00:17 PM PST by Tammy8 (Build a Real Border Fence, and enforce Immigration Laws!!!)
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To: ravingnutter

you're not getting it.

The president is all about open borders. Thus far he has shown little or no interst in actual border protection. Everything he has done at the border has been window dressing. Every year the numbers of people streaming over the border remains high.--And that despite the doubling of oil prices and the doubling of oil revenues going to Mexico.

The only people who will actually do anything to close the borders is the congress. Despite the house bill on the matter recently the people who inhabit the senate have a deserved reputation for eviscerating such bills so that the US winds up with a bill that's does nothing to actually protect the US border.


85 posted on 02/07/2006 2:04:07 PM PST by ckilmer
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To: Tammy8
"You can't deport them faster than they can illegally enter, without a barrier. What we have now is a revolving door. Illegals return within hours or days of being deported, and the Border Patrol itself admits to only catching about 1/3 of the estimated 3 million illegal crossers each year.

Sorry, but you absolutely CAN deport them faster than they can illegally enter--but not with current laws/regs. Which is why those laws and regs need to be vastly strengthened. EVERY law enforcement officer, local, state, and federal should be qualified to arrest any illegal immigrant he or she identifies, and such a requirement needs to be mandated for every city and state with a failure to comply resulting in all loss of federal funding for any and all programs. The action of a mayor telling his cops that they can't arrest illegals should get that mayor sent to jail on federal criminal charges.

86 posted on 02/07/2006 2:09:50 PM PST by Wonder Warthog (The Hog of Steel)
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To: ravingnutter

You are so freaking off base it is not even funny. I live in South Texas, neither you nor Hayworth have to tell me about the problem. Good grief...trying to explain facts to you is like talking to a Democrat, you can't deviate from your talking points or hold a thought long enough to learn the facts. Do yourself a favor, take a civics class for cripe's sake. I've got better things to do than to talk to brick walls.
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trouble is this thing is a lot more far gone than you know. In the northeast and southeast and in the midwest. Hell everywhere in the US there is now a Mexican contingent. Its in everyone's faces. I live in Fairfax County outside of washington DC. Next door, a little nearer to DC-- is Arlington county. every year the percentage of hispanics in that county goes up. Its around 30% now. That's where the pentagon is. The pentagon currently has US troops spread out all over central asia. Go figure

I used to work for the US customs and border patrol in downtown DC at their offices in the Ronald Reagan Bldg. Everyone knew that there was no support for actual border protection coming from the white house. Everyone also knew that we could stop the illegal immigration in a heartbeat if there was the actual political will to do so.

The US government currently is not really serving the interests of the American people on this matter.


87 posted on 02/07/2006 2:16:09 PM PST by ckilmer
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To: ravingnutter
contact your Governor, don't bitch at Bush.

Or Ray Nagin,if he's not busy ...

88 posted on 02/07/2006 2:17:36 PM PST by hschliemann
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To: ravingnutter

However, for Hayworth to state that Bush's plan is somehow inevitable unless the people rise up against Bush is what is truly disengenuous.
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You're dead wrong.

Hayworth understands the way the game is played much better than you do.


89 posted on 02/07/2006 2:18:40 PM PST by ckilmer
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To: savedbygrace
Hayworth's bill is actually a law enforcement bill.

You understand that immigration reform is the perogative of the Senate?

If Hayworth had an actual reform bill, he could ask Sens Vitter or Coburn to introduce it into the Senate since they wer formerly members of the House Immigration Caucus. I'm not sure whether they would consent because they didn't bother to introduce Tancredo's reform bill into the senate.

90 posted on 02/07/2006 2:26:36 PM PST by Ben Ficklin
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To: Ben Ficklin

You do understand that we need a law enforcement bill first before any so-called immigration reform, don't you? We must secure the border first, and enforce the law WRT illegal immigrants before even talking about immigration reform, guest worker programs and the like.

Secure the borders first.


91 posted on 02/07/2006 2:32:24 PM PST by savedbygrace (SECURE THE BORDERS FIRST (I'M YELLING ON PURPOSE))
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To: savedbygrace

Whatever, it still ain't a reform bill.


92 posted on 02/07/2006 2:41:22 PM PST by Ben Ficklin
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To: ravingnutter
What happened at Waco? Was the Posse Comitatus act violated?.
93 posted on 02/07/2006 2:45:43 PM PST by seemoAR
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To: Wonder Warthog
1-3 million illegals will not circumvent our southern border by sailing their schooners up our coasts of first going to canada and sneaking in that way. To say that the same or even close to the same amount would get here disregards logic and logistics for that matter.
94 posted on 02/07/2006 2:56:00 PM PST by mthom
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To: savedbygrace
Bush and people that think like them dont believe we need any means of keeping the average mexican out. They want a "guest worker" program so generous that no non-terrorist/criminal/drug runner would ever cross the border illegally because they just wouldnt need to. In short as close to a free flow of labor as citizens of the US can take without revolting. There wont be any room for "guest workers" from any other country on the planet. Unless we expand it to the rest of latin america but the rest of the world would still be out of luck. God bless the Economic Bloc States of the Americas.
95 posted on 02/07/2006 3:03:39 PM PST by mthom
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To: Ben Ficklin

Irrelevant. That is apropos of absolutely nothing. We need, we must have the gorders secured FIRST, before we talk about immigration reform. That is the bottom line.

The bill is 100% in line with Hayworth's statements in the article, and puts the lie to MNJohnnie's factless complaint that Hayworth has done nothing but talk.

Get back on topic, Ben.


96 posted on 02/07/2006 3:06:03 PM PST by savedbygrace (SECURE THE BORDERS FIRST (I'M YELLING ON PURPOSE))
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To: savedbygrace

The US can't enforce the laws that are on the books now, but somehow writing new laws will solve the problem?


97 posted on 02/07/2006 3:09:42 PM PST by Ben Ficklin
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To: Ben Ficklin

You really shouldn't be smoking around those straw dogs, Ben. Get back on topic, please.


98 posted on 02/07/2006 3:18:26 PM PST by savedbygrace (SECURE THE BORDERS FIRST (I'M YELLING ON PURPOSE))
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To: savedbygrace
Those are not straw dogs, they are illegals. 20 million(?) of them. They are here against the law. Enforce it? Write more laws?

Everyone knows that these "Get Tuff" republicans are blowin' smoke and the "fix is in". In the meantime they will try to use the issue to raise as much money as possible. Maybe even write a book and start a thread at FR to sell it.

99 posted on 02/07/2006 3:25:51 PM PST by Ben Ficklin
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To: Ben Ficklin

OK, now I see - you missed the genesis of this discussion. MNJohnnie was again accusing Hayworth of ONLY talking and of doing nothing (he does that a lot). In response to his factless claim, I posted a link to the bill that Hayworth introduced in Sept 05. (Later, Cboldt posted a permanent link, mine timed out.)

My position WRT illegals is: Secure the borders first to stem the flow, then start sending back the illegals who are already here.

What it take to get those two things get done, I really don't care much.

Just git 'er done.

We can discuss immigration reform after all that. Definitely not before.


100 posted on 02/07/2006 3:42:49 PM PST by savedbygrace (SECURE THE BORDERS FIRST (I'M YELLING ON PURPOSE))
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