Posted on 02/07/2006 9:59:00 AM PST by boryeulb
Thanks. My link timed out, I see.
Finding the durable links is a tricky proposition, and they are typically not "directly" on the page that one is citing.
I have never said a fence by itself would solve the border issues. I have always said it will be a complicated process, requiring many steps. If step one is not a fence, then the other steps are meaningless.
You can't deport them faster than they can illegally enter, without a barrier. What we have now is a revolving door. Illegals return within hours or days of being deported, and the Border Patrol itself admits to only catching about 1/3 of the estimated 3 million illegal crossers each year.
Here is an interesting link to an article that came out about a year ago in USA Today. It will help you get some perspective on the illegal problem we really have on this border. I live very near the area discussed in the article.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2005-02-22-border-patrol_x.htm
you're not getting it.
The president is all about open borders. Thus far he has shown little or no interst in actual border protection. Everything he has done at the border has been window dressing. Every year the numbers of people streaming over the border remains high.--And that despite the doubling of oil prices and the doubling of oil revenues going to Mexico.
The only people who will actually do anything to close the borders is the congress. Despite the house bill on the matter recently the people who inhabit the senate have a deserved reputation for eviscerating such bills so that the US winds up with a bill that's does nothing to actually protect the US border.
Sorry, but you absolutely CAN deport them faster than they can illegally enter--but not with current laws/regs. Which is why those laws and regs need to be vastly strengthened. EVERY law enforcement officer, local, state, and federal should be qualified to arrest any illegal immigrant he or she identifies, and such a requirement needs to be mandated for every city and state with a failure to comply resulting in all loss of federal funding for any and all programs. The action of a mayor telling his cops that they can't arrest illegals should get that mayor sent to jail on federal criminal charges.
You are so freaking off base it is not even funny. I live in South Texas, neither you nor Hayworth have to tell me about the problem. Good grief...trying to explain facts to you is like talking to a Democrat, you can't deviate from your talking points or hold a thought long enough to learn the facts. Do yourself a favor, take a civics class for cripe's sake. I've got better things to do than to talk to brick walls.
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trouble is this thing is a lot more far gone than you know. In the northeast and southeast and in the midwest. Hell everywhere in the US there is now a Mexican contingent. Its in everyone's faces. I live in Fairfax County outside of washington DC. Next door, a little nearer to DC-- is Arlington county. every year the percentage of hispanics in that county goes up. Its around 30% now. That's where the pentagon is. The pentagon currently has US troops spread out all over central asia. Go figure
I used to work for the US customs and border patrol in downtown DC at their offices in the Ronald Reagan Bldg. Everyone knew that there was no support for actual border protection coming from the white house. Everyone also knew that we could stop the illegal immigration in a heartbeat if there was the actual political will to do so.
The US government currently is not really serving the interests of the American people on this matter.
Or Ray Nagin,if he's not busy ...
However, for Hayworth to state that Bush's plan is somehow inevitable unless the people rise up against Bush is what is truly disengenuous.
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You're dead wrong.
Hayworth understands the way the game is played much better than you do.
You understand that immigration reform is the perogative of the Senate?
If Hayworth had an actual reform bill, he could ask Sens Vitter or Coburn to introduce it into the Senate since they wer formerly members of the House Immigration Caucus. I'm not sure whether they would consent because they didn't bother to introduce Tancredo's reform bill into the senate.
You do understand that we need a law enforcement bill first before any so-called immigration reform, don't you? We must secure the border first, and enforce the law WRT illegal immigrants before even talking about immigration reform, guest worker programs and the like.
Secure the borders first.
Whatever, it still ain't a reform bill.
Irrelevant. That is apropos of absolutely nothing. We need, we must have the gorders secured FIRST, before we talk about immigration reform. That is the bottom line.
The bill is 100% in line with Hayworth's statements in the article, and puts the lie to MNJohnnie's factless complaint that Hayworth has done nothing but talk.
Get back on topic, Ben.
The US can't enforce the laws that are on the books now, but somehow writing new laws will solve the problem?
You really shouldn't be smoking around those straw dogs, Ben. Get back on topic, please.
Everyone knows that these "Get Tuff" republicans are blowin' smoke and the "fix is in". In the meantime they will try to use the issue to raise as much money as possible. Maybe even write a book and start a thread at FR to sell it.
OK, now I see - you missed the genesis of this discussion. MNJohnnie was again accusing Hayworth of ONLY talking and of doing nothing (he does that a lot). In response to his factless claim, I posted a link to the bill that Hayworth introduced in Sept 05. (Later, Cboldt posted a permanent link, mine timed out.)
My position WRT illegals is: Secure the borders first to stem the flow, then start sending back the illegals who are already here.
What it take to get those two things get done, I really don't care much.
Just git 'er done.
We can discuss immigration reform after all that. Definitely not before.
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