UK: Cannabis Psychotic Nearly Killed Me

Times UK ^ | Jan. 5, 2006

[JTN]

The people that most want to legalize pot are the sleaze hopeful to find loopholes via through those who seek it medically. All attempts have failed for them to become legally baked.

Back to #195.

[slimer]

I heard every evil about smoking pot. It's all BS. I was a pot smoker for many years and was told smoking pot causes memory loss. I can tell you from experience but I forgot what I was going to say.

[Ken H]

Its hard to imaging that a conservative would advocate for a drug that causes laziness, apathy and lethargic thinking.

OTOH, it's not hard to imagine that those whose livelihoods benefit from mj prohibition would advocate for mj prohibition.

[april15Bendovr]

Including criminal defense lawyers

[april15Bendovr]

Researchers have discovered that chocolate produces some of the same reactions in the brain as marijuana... The researchers also discovered other similarities between the two, but can't remember what they are.
--Matt Lauer on NBC's Today show, August 22

[Brooklyn Kid]

http://72.14.207.104/search?q=cache:jKpGeoLpRgYJ:psychiatry.mc.duke.edu/Residents/substance.html+marijuana+induced+psychosis&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=2

If you Google "Marijuana induced psychosis" you will find thousands of entries. I'm sure you could find more if use other keywords and you want to take the time to do the research.

[The Red Zone]

tiggered, not poohed? that's trubble.

[The Red Zone]

psychosis is quite a broad term. it can apply to the harmlessly wacked out as well as others.

[Ken H]

If you Google "Marijuana induced psychosis" you will find thousands of entries.

If you Google stolen + kidneys + ice + bath you get tens of thousands of entries.

Not that I'm doubting the widespread theft of kidneys, mind you. It nearly happened to me once, but fortunately I was able to fight off my attackers before they could make the incision.

[nuconvert]

The point I've been trying to make from the begining, is that marijuana CAN induce violent psychosis in people. So to pooh-pooh this guy's claim because you haven't read the psychiatric literature or think you know better than MD's who have experience with this condtion, is ignorant and silly.

[nuconvert]

Apparently Brooklyn kid has some personal experience with this condition, too.

[Know your rights]

Your original statement was "If someone has a predisposition to a psychotic illness, such as schizophrenia, use of drugs such as cannabis may trigger the first episode in what can be a lifelong, disabling condition." Now you're telling me about a condition that "generally resolv[es] within a week of abstinence." You backpedal faster than Lance Armstrong forepedals.

[Know your rights]

If you Google stolen + kidneys + ice + bath you get tens of thousands of entries.

Zing!

[robertpaulsen]

"My Dentist smokes pot, of course not while working in a person' mouth but he does it for a way to de-stress from the job..."

That statement has always struck me as odd -- that an individual (a highly paid professional, no less) would find it stress relieving to make the effort to acquire and then smoke an illegal drug. Personally I'd find it stress inducing, thinking that I might get caught committing a (possible) felony and jeopardizing my career.

[robertpaulsen]

"There is much research showing that the prohibition of alcohol and drugs raised the homicide rate in the U.S. during the 20th century."

Who was being murdered? Who was doing the murdering?

Isn't there a given level of violence and murder surrounding any illegal activity, especially vice? And isn't it true that this violence and murder primarily affects the participants?

Now ask me if I care.

[robertpaulsen]

"What other non-rights-violating activities should we ban"

SupplySider wasn't suggesting that we ban an existing legal activity. Did you think marijuana was legal? Marijuana has been illegal now, oh, 70 years.

He was suggesting that we keep marijuana illegal, since legalization carries with it societal acceptance. This is evidenced by the fact that although marijuana is easier for teens to obtain they prefer hard to get, socially acceptable, alcohol 2:1 over marijuana.

As further evidence, we certainly can't forget the Alaska experiment -- you do remember that, right? When marijuana was legal for adults in Alaska, the Alaskan teen use rate was double the national teen average. After a public referendum made marijuana illegal, Alaskan teen use rate dropped to within one percentage point of the national teen average.

Gee, I guess legalization does have an effect on kids. Oh, who would have guessed!?

[robertpaulsen]

"Wrong ... you forgot liberty-lovers."

And you forgot anarchists.

[robertpaulsen]

Killing Time posted that marijuana was a possible "link to psychotic illness" -- ie., that marijuana triggered it, not that marijuana caused it. Your own cite confirms his statement (the marijuana experience might trigger latent psychopathology of many types).

So why did you underline the part about marijuana not producing a psychosis? What's your point?

[robertpaulsen]

The bulk of those organizations support further medical marijuana study, not medical marijuana use. JTN is intentionally being misleading -- I say that because I told him so before, so I know he knows better.

And I question how many of them, if any, support smoked marijuana as medicine. I know for a fact that the first one, the IOM, does not.

[robertpaulsen]

"OTOH, it's not hard to imagine that those whose livelihoods benefit from mj prohibition would advocate for mj prohibition."

If marijuana were legal tomorrow, tell me one person who would lose their job. Would we fire any cops, prosecutors, judges, prison guards, or public defenders? Anyone at the federal level? Would we close any prisons, courtrooms, or jails?

C'mon. Tell me about all the people whose "livelihoods benefit from mj prohibition" and would lose their jobs. I want details, amigo. Put it on the line for all of us to see.

Or you can just admit that maybe you were exaggerating just a little.