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To: libertarianben

Are you saying the Constitution in America is destroyed and our country has been an evil dictatorship since 1861?


42 posted on 02/03/2006 9:11:06 PM PST by sangrila
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To: sangrila

Not exactly. What I said was that since the Civil War, the country that was founded by our founding fathers has been slowly but surely chipped away. When today we are getting very close to a socialist/communist government. Why do you think liberals love Lincoln so much, ever thought of that? It's because of him that they are allowed to do what they want to do to this country.


44 posted on 02/03/2006 9:16:27 PM PST by libertarianben (Looking for sanity and his hard to find cousin common sense)
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To: sangrila
Are you saying the Constitution in America is destroyed and our country has been an evil dictatorship since 1861?

We don't have to. Several courts (including the US Supreme Court) have said as much:

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14 CJS section 4 quotes State v. Manuel 20 NC 122:
"... the term `citizen' in the United States, is analogous to the term `subject' in the common law; the change of phrase has resulted from the change in government."

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U.S. v. Rhodes, 27 Federal Cases 785, 794:
"The amendment [fourteenth] reversed and annulled the original policy of the constitution"

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In 1887 the Supreme Court in Baldwin v. Franks 7 SCt 656, 662; 120 US 678, 690 found that:
"In the constitution and laws of the United States the word `citizen' is generally, if not always, used in a political sense ... It is so used in section 1 of article 14 of the amendments of the constitution ..."

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What most people today fail to understand is that, in law, there is more than one type of 'person'

A 'natural *person*' is a HUMAN BEING while an 'artificial *person*' is a LEGAL construct, referred to as a 'citizen' *legal entity*, or 'political *person*'.

By creating a nation of US citizens, Lincoln unleashed the Beast from its enumerated '10 miles square' and turned a FEDERAL government into a NATIONAL one.

Being a lawyer, he new exactly what he was doing. It's also why the phrase 'any person born in' was changed from 'any NATURAL person born in' before the 14th Amendment was ratified.

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The Founders constructed our government with 2 separate types of law.

Natural law (or the horizontal laws of the Decalogue) were for the people.

Positive law (or man-made law) was for the government.

These 2 types of law is what is meant by a 'Republican form of government' and separation of church (The People) and State (the government).

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Gee. Am I the ONLY one whos figured out how/why illegals have MORE rights than US citizens???

54 posted on 02/04/2006 5:40:03 AM PST by MamaTexan (I am NOT a ~legal entity~, nor am I a *person* as created by law!)
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