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To: bordergal

Workplace enforcement. Fine...who exactly is gonna do the enforcement, and how much is it going to cost. Try to get local California municipalities to go along with that.


Big fines for employers. Great...another way to hurt business...especially small ones.

Jail time for employers. Fine...build more prisons. Of course finding a contractor locally might become a problem.

Having the IRS/INS pursue those whose employee's names/SSNs don't match. Fat chance, how about just tracking down tax cheaters.

Make the online document check MANDATORY>>> . Sure that will help alot.

Build the wall. Will we be able to see it from space?

Just once, I would like to see something reasonable...just once.












155 posted on 02/01/2006 9:47:45 AM PST by A.Hun (Common sense is no longer common.)
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To: A.Hun
As a landscape contractor,I'd like to take a stab at these.

Workplace enforcement. Fine...who exactly is gonna do the enforcement, and how much is it going to cost. Try to get local California municipalities to go along with that.

How about the same people that enforce my comliance with local laws regarding,landscape construction,pesticide applications,ad volerum taxes,business licenses,state certifications,sales taxes,etc.,,?They range from the local city municipal office to the Alabama Department of Agriculture.

Big fines for employers. Great...another way to hurt business...especially small ones.

My business is a small one.One that is directly impacted by others utilizing illegal labor.The only small business this would hurt,are the one's operating illegally.You don't feel sorry for those Enron execs do you?They were simply trying to make a buck.

Jail time for employers. Fine...build more prisons. Of course finding a contractor locally might become a problem.

Simply not true.There are contractors out there,believe it or not,who believe in obeying the law and are doing so.Even though the cards are stacked against them.

162 posted on 02/01/2006 10:01:58 AM PST by quack
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To: A.Hun
There is nothing unreasonable about fining employers who break the employment laws. If employers force children to work in sweatshops 16 hours per day should they be fined? If employers fail to pay agreed wages should they be fined? If employers fail to withhold and remit employment taxes should they be fined. Your argument is nonsense.

If a few employers who broke the employment laws with respect to hiring illegals were sent to jail, there would be no need to build more prisons because employers would quickly realize that the penalty for hiring illegals was to expensive relative to the benefit and the practice of hiring illegals would stop. Very few employers would ever need to be jailed. Your argument is nonsense.

People cheat the IRS just like people speed. But a little enforcement by the IRS goes a long way and the vast majority of Americans obey the tax law. A little bit of enforcement of our immigration laws would also go a long way and the IRS could absolutely turn it into a bonanza for the American people. About 65% of illegal immigrants are using fake/stolen Social Security Cards. That means that 35% are cheating the system. That is billions of non-tax compliance and would pay for every bit of the enforcement being talked about. Your argument is nonsense.

Making on-line document checks mandatory would take away the excuse that businesses are currently using to avoid prosecution. They claim that they could not tell the documents were fake. With mandatory checks that excuse would cease to exist and prosecution would become a no-brainer and most employers would just plea bargain and pay the fine rather than incur legal fees in a lost cause. Your argument is nonsense.

Fences work. Only about 5000 people successfully crossed the Berlin Wall in 40 years. In Israel, the fence has cut terrorism by 95%. Our fence would probably not work as well because I doubt we would shoot transgressors but if it cut the problem in half it would be an enormously good investment. Your argument is nonsense.

Just once I would like to see somebody opposed to enforcing our laws make a reasonable argument.

164 posted on 02/01/2006 10:10:41 AM PST by jackbenimble (Import the third world, become the third world)
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To: A.Hun

Nope, it will help legit businesses that are competing with employers who BREAK THE LAW. One of the reasons that Mexico is is such a basket case is because of widespread systematic corruption. You and your ilk would bring that same attitude to the US.

It will also save the US taxpayer 67 billion a year in health care, education, and incarceration costs for illegals.

If you want to encourage criminal behavior, by all means do so, and I hope you enjoy the consequences. But don't put lipstick on a pig and expect the rest of us to kiss it.


185 posted on 02/01/2006 10:37:14 AM PST by bordergal
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To: A.Hun

Punishing lawbreakers is SO unreasonable.

Unbelievable.


241 posted on 02/01/2006 1:02:01 PM PST by Politicalmom (Must I use a sarcasm tag?)
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