Posted on 02/01/2006 7:29:10 AM PST by Ohioan from Florida
Thanks Halls!
your welcome!
I didn't say you did.
I think there is enough legitimate discussion around Haleigh, because there have been several news reports that I've read where this is mentioned as a right-to-die case.
Every report I have read has stated she can hold up toys you ask her for and that they mistakenly tried to terminate her thinking she could not recover after her parents beat her to death (well close enough to death).
That was, of course, before they realized she was improving.
Thank God someone had some sense up there to not kill her especially since she hasn't been this way for even a year.
I can't for the life of me figure out how Haleigh's story can be viewed as a right-to-die case. Maybe you can help me out.
I couldn't say and I'm sure anything I have to say won't help you in anyway.
You can post every agenda laden article, letter, poem, song you want. This is nothing like the Shiavo case on any level.
You too.
Justice would be if Haleigh recovered enough the testify against her parents who put her into this condition. Being pro-life it is difficult to resist going down to MA and beating these people to death. God help me resist that temptation...
I know you didn't, but because Hildy had directed her comment towards me, I thought you might have been implying that I was posting the story as a Terri add-on. Sorry about that. I was just trying to make sure you and others reading didn't misunderstand my intentions for the thread.
Every report I have read has stated she can hold up toys you ask her for
While that's good, I guess I must have been following her case a little closer as there have been several reports out there claiming this as a right-to-die case, and it has even been mentioned that Haleigh's story is like Terri's. (In some aspects, yes, and in others, no. At least that's my opinion.)
they mistakenly tried to terminate her thinking she could not recover
So we agree, then, that the doctors and the state in this case were mistaken in their diagnosis. Good to know that doctors aren't infallible.
Thank God someone had some sense up there to not kill her
I can agree with that. It would have been killing her.
especially since she hasn't been this way for even a year
I sure hope that's not your way of saying that it would be okay to kill her if she had been this way for over a year. Is there a time limit of how long it's okay to wait before killing someone? Just asking.
Me: I can't for the life of me figure out how Haleigh's story can be viewed as a right-to-die case. Maybe you can help me out.
You: I couldn't say and I'm sure anything I have to say won't help you in anyway.
I'm glad you don't think of this as a right-to-die case. Thanks for sharing your thoughts with me.
Ha.
No inconsistency there, no sirree!
Most eloquent, Bobby!!!
Another similarity between Terri and Haleigh is that the same people who tried to save Terri are now trying to save Haleigh, and the same people who disrupted the Terri threads are disrupting this thread. People tend to be consistent. You either respect life, or you don't.
It's a tough decision for me to make. I don't want anyone to die. But God has given us that fate, and stopping fate using technology can get tricky.
I think that science keeping individuals from reaching heaven when God meant them to may be just as immoral as taking them off life support.
It's a hard choice to make and I believe that's why each person or guardian has to make that decision for themselves or their family members.
It is our ultimate goal in life to learn, create, grow and go to Heaven. Hopefully Science will advance enough that we will be able to distinguish between someone who will recuperate and someone who was meant to go to heaven. In this case as well though you are stuck with "who to believe" when it comes to your loved ones life.
I do have a question though: How many years can someone be kept alive using machines? With advances in technology I would think our capabilities would keep growing and we could eventually have people who cannot eat, sleep, breath or talk on life support for 50 years to (who knows) maybe 150 years. Do we keep them alive this long? When do we decide our science is keeping people alive on life support too long? There has to be a line and many will argue where that line is and when it's been crossed. Which brings me back to loved ones and personal wishes.
In Haleigh's case, they were wrong, very wrong about her state of consciousness and her improbable recovery. Will she be out of danger from having her feeding tube removed? That is unknown at this point, and why I posted this thread.
I find it very disturbing that, with as much recovery as Haleigh's had so far, the state may still decide to remove her feeding tube (or stop feeding and hydrating her). If you read other articles about Haleigh, they say almost the same thing, that the state has decided to not remove her tube for now. They leave the possibility open to withholding food and water from her at a later date, because they have already been given the court's permission, and she might not improve much.
The quality of life issue gets talked about all over again. Is it really okay to hasten someone's death because we aren't comfortable with their quality of life? I'm just not crazy about that idea.
4 months vs. 17years is not even worth a debate.
I understand your questions, they are questions for all of us. I have to say that I personally consider food and water (and oxygen) to be ordinary care no matter how they are delivered. In my mind that is basic human care.
Karen Ann Quinlan did finally succumb many years after they removed her respirator. She didn't continue to live and her organs didn't last forever. Neither was she resuscitated at that point, nor did she receive any transplants. To me that was the *right* thing to do for the *right* amount of time. I suggest we use her case as an example of moral behavior. God didn't allow her to stay here forever, and she wasn't forced to die before she was *ready* to go. JMHO.
(BTW, that was a really nice touch you had there, stretching Terri's time to 17 years...Feb. 1990-March, 2005 sure seems like 15 years to me. Maybe if you say it was a typo, I'll believe you!)
Hildy, no way will I try to persuade you on anything near this topic.
I have learned and observed over time it is all for naught. However, when you bring up topics like you did, it is a fine chance for others to see and understand even if you are not interested personally.
Dylan Walborn and Terri had the same birthday, as I recall.
Yikes!
It's fine to bring things up for discussion, but to lump things together to prove an end is just disengenous.
Alamo-Girl, you are warmly welcome..
And what are you trying to prove, then? Do you want to discuss something?
Others have thanked me for bringing it up. Aren't you glad I brought it up?
I am planning on bringing up a lot of discussions of what they almost did to poor Haleigh. After all any time the State tries to bioethic someone, it is a peak interest to me, whether Haleigh or Terri.
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