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To: jla

Madison was a valuable player in the 1780s until Jefferson returned from France when he promptly went off the deep end and started sabotaging efforts to strengthen the Union. He also did not understand economics, finance or banking or the need to diversify the economy.


732 posted on 02/01/2006 5:01:51 PM PST by justshutupandtakeit (Public Enemy #1, the RATmedia.)
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To: justshutupandtakeit
You could not be more wrong about the French Revolution and those who assisted the US.

My emphasis was not on the "French Revolution", but on the fact that if not for those you described as "terrorists" we would have not defeated the British in our Revolutionary War.

Jefferson believed the US should always be a agricultural economy and held economic views outdated by two generations. He was the deadly enemy of all who adopted a view that the promotion of modern capitalism was the way to riches and power.

You're misrepresenting Thomas J's views on the matter. He was against any form of a centralized gov't, (another pin in your Jefferson = Democrats balloon). Though he favored an agriculture economy, he did not advocate the evisceration of manufacturing and industry.
Another of his anti-Democrat traits is he championed the property owner, believing that property sacred and should never be taxed. Along with the fact that his views on taxation in general correlate those of today's supply-siders I'd hardly label Thomas J a "deadly enemy" of capitalism.

Jefferson weakened our military so much that we could not even defend Washington from 10,000 British soldiers. His idea of a navy was to limit it to coastal defense and to let the navies of other nations have the carrying trade.

Granted, he failed here.

Jefferson was an excellent cabinet maker and rhetoritician.

I'd include dialectician along with your two descriptors.

His life made his rhetoric a total lie. Jefferson was only sorry he got caught slandering Washington but his actions against Hamilton were far worse. He is the most overrated of our Presidents and his beliefs helped pave the way to the Civil War.

Hamilton was no choir boy himself. And Thomas J's first term is by many accounts noted as being one of the most successful of all our Presidents.

Thomas J actually predicted a 'civil war' would transpire in this country within a century. He was not, I'll kindly remind you, the only Founder who owned slaves.

Madison was a valuable player in the 1780s until Jefferson returned from France when he promptly went off the deep end and started sabotaging efforts to strengthen the Union.

Jemmy M was a staunch supporter of France his entire political life. It was he, while serving in the House of Representatives, who proposed legislation favoring France in trade and 'discriminating' against Great Britain in these matters, (although his bill was eventually defeated). A representative from Massachusetts, (I believe), named Fischer Ames went so far as to refer to Madison's politics as "Frenchified".

He also did not understand economics, finance or banking or the need to diversify the economy.

I beg to differ.

734 posted on 02/04/2006 1:09:38 PM PST by jla
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