To: af_vet_rr
We do need your vote. Illegal immigration is a problem. That is not the issue.
But if the only way to get your vote is an impossibility, then we are kind of screwed, aren't we?
The plans proposed so far by people in your camp will not happenever. There are too many laws, INCLUDING the Constitution itself, prohibiting it from happening. I'm sorry, but it is the truth. We can lessen the problem, but we can not solve it by building a wall, ripping people from their homes and away from their children and tossing them all out in a matter of months.
Your vote is important. It is hard to loose. This rift makes me unbelievably sad. But I'm sorry, but I'm not willing to change the Constitution. Even for your vote.
To: pollyannaish
The plans proposed so far by people in your camp will not happen--ever. Not even enforcing exiting statutes?
658 posted on
01/31/2006 5:14:22 PM PST by
Cboldt
To: pollyannaish
The plans proposed so far by people in your camp will not happenever.
So we are just going to keep strip-searching 80 year old grannies at the airport and hope any future or existing terrorists just ignore the border?
I will tell you what my plan is, and it doesn't even have to involve building a wall, and it doesn't break the Constitution (which I dearly love).
My plan is simple:
1)Treat illegal aliens like the criminals they are.
2) Make the management and owners of companies that hire illegal aliens responsible - throw them in jail for providing comfort and aid for criminals - the same as if you or I hid a bank robber from the police, because they are providing the ability for a criminal to get by in this society.
Plenty of people wait patiently for literally years to legally enter this country. Time and again Cubans fleeing a communist dictatorship, risking their lives, are turned back, and yet our President wants to make the ones who walk over the border "guest" workers.
If you remove the economic incentives that President Bush, the GOP leadership, and various large businesses and industries want to give these illegal aliens, then they will have no reason for coming up here - they come here because the money is here.
Furthermore, I very much believe in an old saying "spare the rod, spoil the child" (which came from Proverbs 13:23 or 24, not that I want to bring religion into this - I'm just providing a context of how old).
The child in this case is the GOP. We have spoiled the child, by allowing them to run wild with government spending, power, etc. We keep on rewarding their aberrant behavior by electing them back into office.
It's time to pick up the rod before this child stops listening to the adults (voters) altogether.
Applying the rod in this case, means taking our votes somewhere else. After a few elections, one of two things will happen - either the child, or GOP in this case, will realize we are done indulging in their behavior and that they should get back to a Conversative stance, or they will move further left to pickup votes to offset our leaving.
If they move even further left, they will lose more voters, which means that a third party becomes very viable at this point. If they come back to the Conservative fold, then we've made our point, and they'll be careful in the future.
We cannot afford to allow this party or this country to keep on going the way it's going - I have maybe 20-30 more years left, and maybe things won't change much in what's left of my lifetime, but I sure as hell don't want to think about the kind of country that my descendants will have 60 years from now, at the rate we are going.
If we are not careful now, what freedoms we still have are liable to be a fairytale to children and young adults 60 or 70 years from now.
This country has had one revolution, and one civil war already. I don't want my great-grandchildren to have to fight another.
To: pollyannaish
But if the only way to get your vote is an impossibility,There's something wonderfully ironic in finding Pollyana preaching defeatism.
703 posted on
01/31/2006 10:47:54 PM PST by
Pelham
("Borders? We don' need no stinking borders!")
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