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Aide: Reagan Warned Before Beirut Blast
AP ^ | January 30 2006 | CALVIN WOODWARD

Posted on 01/30/2006 8:55:19 PM PST by jmc1969

WASHINGTON - A former defense secretary for Ronald Reagan says he implored the president to put Marines serving in Beirut in a safer position before terrorists attacked them in 1983, killing 241 servicemen.

"I was not persuasive enough to persuade the president that the Marines were there on an impossible mission," Caspar Weinberger says in an oral history project capturing the views of former Reagan administration officials.

He said one of his greatest regrets was in failing to overcome the arguments that "'Marines don't cut and run,' and 'We can't leave because we're there'" before the devastating suicide attack on the lightly armed force.

"They had no mission but to sit at the airport, which is just like sitting in a bull's-eye," Weinberger said. "I begged the president at least to pull them back and put them back on their transports as a more defensible position."

On another dark corner of Reagan's presidency, the Iran-Contra affair, former Secretary of State George Shultz said Reagan was so moved by meeting the families of U.S. hostages that officials feared the encounters would cloud his judgment, and began keeping the families at bay.

"The president, it just drove him crazy that there were these hostages in Lebanon," Shultz said in his December 2002 interview. Consequently, the "cockeyed dream" took hold of secretly selling arms to Iranians in return for their leverage in freeing the captives.

Weinberger, who often clashed with Shultz on foreign policy, agreed that Reagan's "idea of trying to get the hostages back overweighed almost everything" and arose from meeting the families. "Those meetings destroyed him, absolutely," he said.

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 1983; barracks; beirut; casparweinberger; georgeshultz; hostages; iran; irancontra; iranhostages; lebanon; marinebarracks; marines; reagan; ronaldreagan; shultz; weinberger
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1 posted on 01/30/2006 8:55:20 PM PST by jmc1969
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To: jmc1969
killing 241 servicemen.

Whose families have yet to see the money from the judgement. Guess what's holding it up?

2 posted on 01/30/2006 8:58:07 PM PST by ozoneliar ("The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots & tyrants" -T.J.)
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To: jmc1969

Caspar the not so friendly ghost.


3 posted on 01/30/2006 8:58:11 PM PST by msnimje (SAMMY for SANDY --- THAT IS WHAT I CALL A GOOD TRADE!!!)
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Who ordered the Marines to NOT load their weapons? Don`t think it ever came out.


4 posted on 01/30/2006 9:04:10 PM PST by bybybill (GOD help us if the Rats win)
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To: jmc1969

I'll go one better: The marines shouldn't have been there in the first place. At the time I wanted Israel to march to the Syrian border and obliterate the PLO. If we were there we should have been helping them instead of "peacekeeping". And after the blast we should have sent in 50,000 troops and finished Israel's job for them.


5 posted on 01/30/2006 9:04:54 PM PST by UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide (Give Them Liberty Or Give Them Death! - IT'S ISLAM, STUPID! - Islam Delenda Est! - Rumble thee forth)
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To: bybybill
Who ordered the Marines to NOT load their weapons? Don`t think it ever came out.

That's just the way things were done post-Vietnam/pre-9-11.
6 posted on 01/30/2006 9:08:04 PM PST by UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide (Give Them Liberty Or Give Them Death! - IT'S ISLAM, STUPID! - Islam Delenda Est! - Rumble thee forth)
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To: jmc1969
He said one of his greatest regrets was in failing to overcome the arguments that "'Marines don't cut and run,' and 'We can't leave because we're there'" before the devastating suicide attack on the lightly armed force.

Everything that followed including 9-11 falls back in part to our nonresponse to the wholesale murder of our Marines that day.

7 posted on 01/30/2006 9:10:21 PM PST by DB (©)
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To: jmc1969

Beirut is Reagan's shame. A total waste of life then we ran with our tails between our legs.


8 posted on 01/30/2006 9:10:29 PM PST by zarf (It's time for a college football playoff system.)
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To: bybybill

There were no loaded weapons on the USS Cole in Yemen!

And what was an Aegis class destroyer doing in unfriendly waters being refueled? Why wasn't it refueled at sea? Who was benefiting financially from the refueling? Why wasn't the investigation made public? Why wasn't the SecDef held accountable? Why wasn't the SecState held accountable?

Oh, wrong party.


9 posted on 01/30/2006 9:13:00 PM PST by Prost1 (Sandy Berger can steal, Clinton can cheat, but Bush can't listen!)
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To: jmc1969


Ronald Wilson Reagan, A Tribute
10 posted on 01/30/2006 9:14:33 PM PST by John Lenin
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To: DB
"Everything that followed including 9-11 falls back in part to our nonresponse to the wholesale murder of our Marines that day."

Didn't help. But it goes further back than that, at least to Jimmy Carter's betrayal of the Shah and his impotent response to the takeover of the U.S. Embassy in Tehran.
11 posted on 01/30/2006 9:16:12 PM PST by RightOnTheLeftCoast (You're it)
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To: zarf

I'll take Reagan over either Bush.


12 posted on 01/30/2006 9:16:14 PM PST by Finalapproach29er (Americans need to remember Osama's "strong horse" -"weak horse" analogy. Let's stop acting weak.)
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Actually, I prefer Bush in war time. He has shown much more spine than Ronnie when the going go t tough.

Between trading with Iran for hostages, Beirut, and Achille Loro debacle, Reagan was an abject failure when it came to dealing with Arab terror.

13 posted on 01/30/2006 9:18:57 PM PST by zarf (It's time for a college football playoff system.)
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To: RightOnTheLeftCoast

That's why I said "in part".


14 posted on 01/30/2006 9:19:08 PM PST by DB (©)
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"Reagan was an abject failure when it came to dealing with Arab terror."

Since mohammed murdered his first victim and declared himself a 'prophet' this cult has been more than a thorn in the side of nations. NOBODY has been able to stop islamic terror. After studying islam a little bit, I don't know of any period in their history when they weren't either invading, murdering or terrorizing someone, somewhere. It's a cult that feeds off the blood of innocents.

15 posted on 01/30/2006 9:35:43 PM PST by TheCrusader ("The frenzy of the mohammedans has devastated the Churches of God" Pope Urban II ~ 1097A.D.)
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To: zarf

He has shown much more spine than Ronnie when the going got tough.



Because of Reagan, Bush can act without worrying about 25,000 USSR nuclear warheads before he acts. IMHO


16 posted on 01/30/2006 9:48:26 PM PST by Finalapproach29er (Americans need to remember Osama's "strong horse" -"weak horse" analogy. Let's stop acting weak.)
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That putz Bud MacFarlane shares a lot of the blame for the Beirut debacle.


17 posted on 01/30/2006 9:56:50 PM PST by A.A. Cunningham
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To: RightOnTheLeftCoast
>>>"Everything that followed including 9-11 falls back in part to our nonresponse to the wholesale murder of our Marines that day."<<<

Reagan's non-response was unfortunate, perhaps even tragic. But a multitude of others had an opportunity to make an appropriate response and delclined to do the right thing.

Iraq Hostiges, Kobar Towers, Tanzania, Narobi, Cole.....all were basically non-responsive to an entity that had declared war on the United States in 1996!

Blaming Reagan is simplistic and ignorant. Radical Islam many have reared its head on his watch.....but others let it prosper....until G. W. Bush came along.

18 posted on 01/30/2006 9:59:41 PM PST by HardStarboard
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To: jmc1969

Beruit remains the greatest black mark on Reagan's presidency. As great as he was, I wonder if he would have the determination in Iraq that Bush has.


19 posted on 01/30/2006 10:06:30 PM PST by JohnBDay
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To: jmc1969

Well, I was going to post on this thread. But, I thought Cap was dead, so what do I know?


20 posted on 01/30/2006 10:11:01 PM PST by AlexandriaDuke
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