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Frist: Gov't Unwanted in End-Of-Life Cases
AP on Yahoo ^ | 1/29/06 | AP

Posted on 01/29/2006 10:06:22 AM PST by NormsRevenge

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To: andysandmikesmom

((((andysandmikesmom))))

Peace to you and yours. :~)


361 posted on 01/30/2006 7:59:54 PM PST by HairOfTheDog (Join the Hobbit Hole Troop Support - http://freeper.the-hobbit-hole.net/ 1,000 knives and counting!)
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To: HairOfTheDog

And to you and yours as well...


362 posted on 01/30/2006 8:08:43 PM PST by andysandmikesmom
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To: syriacus

Thanks for the many many great posts.

Those who don't want to talk about Terri on a thread in response to an article about the Terri situation are the same ones that are anti-Terri. They got what they wanted. They would rather discuss themselves - it was always about 'them' (pre killing and, now, post killing) and never about Terri.

IMO, a 'right to die' term is used to confuse. It's a 'right to live' issue. Did Terri have a right to live?

What jury sentenced her to death? Who violated her rights? Her right for therapy with her own money, her right for sunshine, her right for stimulation, her right for a divorce from a adulterous husband, her right for a drink of water? Who violated her 'right to live' when she lived by the motto, "where there is life, there is hope? Who held her captive like some slave and then killed her when she is no longer useful in their eyes?


363 posted on 01/30/2006 10:47:03 PM PST by presently no screen name
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To: presently no screen name
IMO, a 'right to die' term is used to confuse. It's a 'right to live' issue. Did Terri have a right to live?

Great point! You're right about this, and the many other things you wrote.

You've packed a lot of excellent, common sense questions into one post.

Level headed thinking is verboten by the folks who know that the first step in eliminating fellow humans is to to label them as "sub-human."

364 posted on 01/31/2006 3:25:39 AM PST by syriacus (Dems think they have FIRE in their bellies. But it's merely indigestion.)
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To: HairOfTheDog
Caring for them very very well at home is one of the most rewarding things we can do for our loved ones.

When the circumstances are right, caring for an elderly family member at home is very rewarding.

I have been able to care for my 90 year old mother. My brother and sister cannot.

365 posted on 01/31/2006 3:51:03 AM PST by syriacus (Dems think they have FIRE in their bellies. But it's merely indigestion.)
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To: andysandmikesmom
but that did not stop some rude busybodies telling me I killed my son, by allowed him to be disconnected from the ventilator...

You were smart to ignore their suggestions.

I'm sorry they put you through that.

366 posted on 01/31/2006 3:55:49 AM PST by syriacus (Dems think they have FIRE in their bellies. But it's merely indigestion.)
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To: andysandmikesmom
There will always be hysterics, who see shadows and conspiracies and such, even when they dont exist.....that is unfortunately, part of the human condition...

And thanks be to God for the folks who can see shadows, when shadows are present.

The ones who tell children not to talk to strangers.

The ones who warn others about oncoming tsunamis on clear and beautiful days.

The ones who see connections between smoking and lung cancer or between radiation and cancer.

367 posted on 01/31/2006 4:01:05 AM PST by syriacus (Dems think they have FIRE in their bellies. But it's merely indigestion.)
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To: TAdams8591
Feeding tubes, do not even require electricity and are not modern technolgy in the same sense that heart and lung machines are.

Folks who want to see a larger view of this feeding tube can click on this picture Other images of specialized clothing available at The Bundi-baby e-store

368 posted on 01/31/2006 4:15:02 AM PST by syriacus (Dems think they have FIRE in their bellies. But it's merely indigestion.)
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To: syriacus
Frist: Gov't Unwanted in End-Of-Life Cases

Government is already involved in end-of-life cases, Senator Frist. Times are changing and we need to re-examine the statutes.

369 posted on 01/31/2006 4:26:32 AM PST by syriacus (Dems think they have FIRE in their bellies. But it's merely indigestion.)
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To: syriacus
Everywhere and at all times demons have been lurking in the dark, waiting for the moment when man is weak; when of his own volition he leaves his place in the order of Creation as founded for him by God in freedom; when he yields to the force of evil, separates himself from the powers of a higher order; and after voluntarily taking the first step, he is driven on to the next and the next at a furiously accelerating rate.

Everywhere and at all times of greatest trial men have appeared, prophets and saints who cherished their freedom, who preached the One God and with His help brought the people to a reversal of their downward course

The White Rose: Leaflet Four.

370 posted on 01/31/2006 5:05:42 AM PST by syriacus (Dems think they have FIRE in their bellies. But it's merely indigestion.)
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To: ContraryMary
Americans do not want the government involved in such end-of-life decisions.

Mary, you are probably right in most end-of-life situations BUT this case was an exceptional one where many questions went unanswered. IMHO Justice, Health and Human Services, and many other governmental offices failed this woman in her hour of need.

We probably see things differently on the government's involvement regarding beginning-of-life decisions too? I think that the number of abortions would be significantly reduced if the mother was discarded and the baby was kept.....

372 posted on 01/31/2006 5:33:32 AM PST by eeriegeno
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To: syriacus

From The White Rose link....
But out of love for coming generations we must make an example after the conclusion of the war, so that no one will ever again have the slightest urge to try a similar action.



Some saw 'it' then, some did not (turned their heads in denial)
Some see 'it' now, some do not (turn their heads in denial)

'History repeats itself' is a truth but not for those in denial.


373 posted on 01/31/2006 5:51:01 AM PST by presently no screen name
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Re: 371. Wow! That was quick. Thanks!!!


374 posted on 01/31/2006 5:51:54 AM PST by syriacus (Dems think they have FIRE in their bellies. But it's merely indigestion.)
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To: syriacus

I didn't see it. Thanks for what?


375 posted on 01/31/2006 5:55:13 AM PST by presently no screen name
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To: presently no screen name
History repeats itself' is a truth but not for those in denial.

Yes.

376 posted on 01/31/2006 5:56:06 AM PST by syriacus (Dems think they have FIRE in their bellies. But it's merely indigestion.)
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To: presently no screen name
I didn't see it. Thanks for what?

I posted a picture of the judge, Roland Freisler, who was remarkably similar to Greer. You can see the pictures, and read about his unjust rulings

I asked to have the picture removed after I read the FAQ at the White Rose Web Site.

377 posted on 01/31/2006 6:01:36 AM PST by syriacus (Dems think they have FIRE in their bellies. But it's merely indigestion.)
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To: syriacus

remarkably similar to Greer.

Yes, moreso, in the 3rd picture



I know the Defendant Huber. He doesn't have the right to be a German." Alex, Willi and Professor Huber were each condemned to die.

Ruling the same, also - a judge saying someone doesn't have a right.


378 posted on 01/31/2006 6:26:28 AM PST by presently no screen name
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Judge Freisler: [Huber] doesn't have the right to be a German

From an old Terri thread on FR

Is Terri a person with constitutional rights?
1. Dr. Cranford said, to Hannity last night, that PVS persons have no constitutional rights.

2. Cranford has said that Terri is PVS

Question: Does Terri have the constitutional right to ask to be starved to death?


379 posted on 01/31/2006 6:55:54 AM PST by syriacus (Dems think they have FIRE in their bellies. But it's merely indigestion.)
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To: syriacus

Regarding your post #367...yes, of course, there are those who see shadows, when shadows are really present...I was probably one such person like that when it came to my children....

However, there are extremists, who will see shadows where there are none at all...

I guess the real wisdom, is to really understand, when a shadow is hiding some real threat, and when a shadow, is well, nothing but a shadow...

Knowing the difference between something that is a real threat, and something that is not a real threat, can be tricky....


380 posted on 01/31/2006 3:27:28 PM PST by andysandmikesmom
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