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To: armydawg1
Embedded reporters are distrusted and shunned (actually, "despised" is the word I heard) by the soldiers they travel with.....for good reason.

I've not heard or read that. Do you have a link to support that conclusion?

47 posted on 01/29/2006 6:00:26 AM PST by leadpenny
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To: leadpenny; armydawg1

I don't have a link to support that conclusion- instead- I have a son who served as a combat soldier in Iraq. I've spoken with him (and several buddies he served with) about our media over there. Their conclusion? War is not a game- it is ugly, brutal, unfair and messy..and YET..journalists continue to treat it (war) and them (soldiers) as though it should be a video game. What struck them most was the sympathy shown for the enemy, (by journalists) and the thinly veiled disgust shown toward soldiers.

From listening to them- I would say "despised" is a reasonable description.


111 posted on 01/29/2006 6:47:51 AM PST by SE Mom (God Bless those who serve..)
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To: leadpenny

reporters are distrusted and shunned (actually, "despised" is the word I heard) by the soldiers they travel with.....for good reason.

"Iraqi police" and their "alleged treatment" of some "free lance" reporters and the response by a coalition press official below -embed or "get out" scenario- comes from CPJ :

Iraqi police openly threaten journalists at news events in an effort to block coverage. When Knight Ridder photographer Allison Long took pictures of police beating a suspect in August, she tells CPJ, a uniformed officer tried to wrench away her camera. When she resisted, a plainclothes officer came up from behind, drew and cocked his gun, and pointed it at her, saying he would kill her. A passing Iraqi government official had to intercede.

In June, I was chased and held at gunpoint after photographing Iraqi police and intelligence agents hitting prisoners. Police dragged me for several blocks before a commander finally ordered my release and apologized.

But the worst example of government attacks on the press happened during this summer's siege at the Imam Ali Shrine in Najaf. At 10:30 p.m. on August 25, dozens of armed police, many of them masked, stormed a Najaf hotel widely used by journalists. Firing warning shots in the lobby and beating down doors to rooms, police forcibly removed some 60 journalists from the Bahr Najaf Hotel and packed them into waiting trucks without explanation.

"After I was put into the truck, one policeman leaned down and told me in Arabic, ‘Now we are going to take you out and kill you. You will all die.' It was a clear attempt to terrify us," freelance photographer Thorne Anderson says.

After being driven in an open truck through a city where major street fighting was continuing, the reporters were herded into a coerced press conference where the chief of police complained about coverage by the Dubai-based news channel Al-Arabiya. The journalists were held for an hour without basis or charge.

The U.S.-led coalition does not counteract such intimidation. One coalition press official privately acknowledges that it wants journalists to embed ( Woodruff was embedded) with its forces or leave Iraq. Otherwise, journalists are on their own. "This is a dangerous combat zone," he says, "and we don't need or want you here."

At least three journalists were killed as a result of fire from U.S. forces, compared with six such deaths in 2004. U.S. forces' fire has killed 13 journalists between March 2003 and the end of 2005 writes CPJ Executive Director Ann Cooper.

.....with good reason, we are fighting terrorists; therefore journalists who enter a war zone know what they are walking into..wrong place, wrong time, taking life and death risks..that's life in the fast lane..BEWARE! Our Coalition forces fight for Country; journalists for self, thrill, truth 'the Media way'. Plenty to read at http://www.cpj.org/ by Cooper and/or CPJ.

150 posted on 01/29/2006 7:22:36 AM PST by fight_truth_decay
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To: leadpenny
Someone asked if the journalists are shunned distrusted by the Army. I was in the first gulf war and some reporters were coming to the unit My LT was gone, so I was in charge. 1SG told me I had to be extra careful because at the time I did not speak English particularly well and he said that they might try to get me to say something anti US without knowing it you have to be careful because they have a agenda that they want to get out and they want you to say it for them. In my platoon I had a squad leader that went to college and really speaks well and I had him with me and let him do the talking. It all went good, but he later said to me that the reporter wanted him to say that we were expecting lots of casualties and that we really shouldn't be here and that it was all blood for oil. Later we talked w/ 1SG and he said that it had been that way since Viet Nam.

Yes I believe that the soldiers today still distrust the media.


217 posted on 01/29/2006 8:45:57 AM PST by Sangey (Buddha bless the USA)
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To: leadpenny
I've not heard or read that. Do you have a link to support that conclusion?

I've heard this too, from those who were on the ground there. Don't know how widespread the attitude is, but it does exist.

286 posted on 01/29/2006 10:10:34 AM PST by Adiemus
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To: leadpenny

"Reporters are distrusted and despised by the soldiers they travel with."

A quote I read somewhere but unfortunately do not still have the link.


676 posted on 01/30/2006 4:00:11 AM PST by armydawg1 (" America must win this war..." PVT Martin Treptow, KIA, WW1)
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