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Some in Homeschooling Movement Support "De-Schooling"
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Posted on 01/28/2006 7:49:24 AM PST by Clintonfatigued

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To: Halls

I encourage you to give it a try. You sound likie me with my oldest son five years ago. The last straw was when I found out a week before school that there would be 35 kids in his class in a private school fourth grade. My husband said we're bringing him home, that will never work. We now hs our three oldest kids with the youngest in a small Christian half-day Kindergarten.
As to the meds, what ended up working for us is that four days a week he takes the four hour strength adderall...enough to get him through algebra and the other intensive subjects but not enough to ruin his appetite and keep him from sleeping. The difference is amazing at how he can focus and pay attention on the meds (it took me a LONG time to get there...I was adamantly opposed to medicating him at first, but after we tried it I realized it wasnt fair not to give it to him and have him struggle and feel like a failure when it really was beyond his control. Feel free to pm me if you want to chat about it.


141 posted on 01/28/2006 10:31:27 PM PST by kcmom
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To: Halls

Sounds like the teacher is the one who needs the meds.....or a new career.


142 posted on 01/28/2006 10:34:48 PM PST by del4hope (It is time to dust off US sedition and treason laws.)
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To: wintertime

The comment you responded to was a joke.

I am pleased that your kids turned out well.


143 posted on 01/28/2006 10:42:49 PM PST by durasell (!)
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To: luckystarmom

That's the beauty of homeschooling, you can tailor it to the individual child. Math and Language (writing/reading/grammar) are non-negotiable. But until they get to jr high or high school you can really let them take part in deciding what science and history studies will be learned. I guarantee they'll remember more than any of us remember from 5th grade social studies.
My son balked every time I assigned him a book to read. It was such a battle. I was picking all the books at this point. One day a couple of years ago at the library he picked up the Jessica Lynch bio (he's a military/war story buff, even when he was in fifth grade). He wanted to check it out. I laughed to myself....I cant get him to read a 100 page book and I think there was like 250 in this one. Well, to my shock and pleasure he read it in two days! I immediately began letting him have some input in his reading list. Some things are mandatory, but most are ones of his liking. We also have the luxury of choosing topics that we're interesting in and parking on them for weeks at a time. We still cover the other basics, but it allows for much more love of learning for the kids when they can actually do something they enjoy. It also helps us recognize their strengths and help them develop those areas where theyre likely to end up in a career one day. I'm not so much worried about how many facts my kids have memorized and forgotten byb the time theyre 18....I want them to have a broad knowledge base and mainly to know how to think. That way they can go into any college program and learn the particulars in their chosen field.


144 posted on 01/28/2006 10:44:11 PM PST by kcmom
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To: SoftballMominVA

I recently began homeschooling. I am in a cover group that makes the parents accountable. If they aren't, they are dropped from our group and reported to the local school board. In my short time, I have found a variety of reasons and methods people use for homeschooling. Some are not so good. My deal is that as long as my kids produce an objective 90% plus in a subject, they can independent study that course. I still outline the assignments and tests based on a legitimate curriculum.

We do not watch TV during OR after our school time, but I had never thought of such until you brought up that point. The TV is a very powerful negative educational tool for even public school kids no matter what time they are watching it.


145 posted on 01/28/2006 10:47:12 PM PST by del4hope (It is time to dust off US sedition and treason laws.)
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To: kalee

Good point. My house stayed very clean while we were in public school. We laugh now. My husband thought I might not be able to give up myself to stay committed to homeschooling. Well, I have been very self disciplined about it. The house stays a wreck and the laundry stays behind, but the schooling is always done. lol


146 posted on 01/28/2006 10:53:05 PM PST by del4hope (It is time to dust off US sedition and treason laws.)
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To: del4hope

Certainly sounds like you and your group are doing a great job. I bet the kids are happier for it too!


147 posted on 01/29/2006 4:52:08 AM PST by SoftballMominVA
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148 posted on 01/29/2006 5:25:56 AM PST by freepatriot32 (Holding you head high & voting Libertarian is better then holding your nose and voting republican)
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To: MonroeDNA

I guess stupid is as stupid does?


149 posted on 01/29/2006 5:43:05 AM PST by senorita
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Ping


150 posted on 01/29/2006 8:36:43 AM PST by Tired of Taxes (Home Educators Ping List - If you want on/off the list, please let me know.)
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To: del4hope

Discovery Kids is on for Breakfast.
Tapes of Magic School Bus or Schoolhouse Rock while mom makes dinner.

That's it, that's all for tv.


151 posted on 01/29/2006 9:08:17 AM PST by netmilsmom (To attack one section of Christianity in this day and age, is to waste time.)
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To: Clintonfatigued

I have not read all the replies, so please forgive me if I am duplicating what others have said.

De-schooling and un-schooling are two different things.

When parents bring their children home from public school to teach them, they may need a period of time to de-school. During this time both parent and child need to adjust. That is not usually child directed learning. It is both parent and child taking a breather from intense education in preparation for more strenuous study at a later time. The parent still directs the child, but the subjects covered can be as casual as reading, book discussion, household chores, and rule setting.

What you do to de-school is as individual as the child you are de-schooling. If the child has had difficulty following the parent's rules, some time should be taken to instill the discipline necessary to homeschool. It is just as important for the parent to know how to develop discipline in the child as it is for the child to know how to obey.

Un-schooling is the usually thought of as child-directed learning. The extent of the child's control is determined by the parent. Some children are very capable of doing this. It is not good for everyone. I found that given his own choice, my son would play videogames and watch TV all day. The idea of furthering his academic knowledge could not be further from his mind, so we have never un-schooled.

However, I would have loved un-schooling as a child. Even though I went to public school, I spent hours in the library learning about things I wanted to study. My self-education was only limited by the hours I spent bored at school. A child like me would do very well with un-schooling -- given some parental guidance.

Each situation is different. The biggest advantage of homeschooling is the ability to adjust and adapt to the needs of the child. If as the title says, "Some in Homeschooling Movement Support 'De-Schooling,'" there may be some who have been able to de-school or even un-school successfully. But no one should think this is what all homeschooling families do.


152 posted on 01/29/2006 10:41:11 AM PST by Waryone
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To: randog

I won't call you crazy but be ready to get flamed.


153 posted on 01/29/2006 6:48:51 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: Jeff Chandler

Didn't the educational establishment try this open classroom stuff or something like it? They provided the kids with EVERYTHING they needed to learn; the best books, equipment, computers, teachers avilable for help if asked for? Wasn't it an abysmal failure? If unschooling is so great, why did the highly regimented, structured, disciplined schools of the 1800's produce such a wealth of inventers, scientists, writers, and polititions? Seems to me that we just don't see people of that caliber these days; not to say that they don't exist but it sure seems that they're pretty scarce.


154 posted on 01/29/2006 6:53:52 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: metmom
I met a professor of chemistry once, who was required to attend a training session which taught something like this. Afterward, this man, who had a 25 year career in industry, asked why that seminar wasn't taught using that method? The reply: it would take too long!
155 posted on 01/29/2006 7:54:47 PM PST by Jeff Chandler (Peace Begins in the Womb)
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To: Halls

go to www.homeschooloasis.com and read the "Help! I'm just starting out and don't know what to do" article.


156 posted on 06/12/2006 10:48:24 PM PDT by Shimmer128 (I've seen the village, I don't want it raising my children)
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To: durasell

uhh, NO. My home educated sons of all ages (elementary to high school age) all love to learn. They haven't had it drilled out of them in the kiddie prisons called public school.


157 posted on 06/12/2006 10:50:59 PM PDT by Shimmer128 (I've seen the village, I don't want it raising my children)
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To: durasell

Not my teens (they're home educated, that's why)


158 posted on 06/12/2006 10:51:38 PM PDT by Shimmer128 (I've seen the village, I don't want it raising my children)
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To: This Just In

Yeah, quite doubtful is more like it. :D


159 posted on 06/12/2006 10:54:32 PM PDT by Shimmer128 (I've seen the village, I don't want it raising my children)
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