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It's Pay Or Punish
The Times Leader ^ | 22 January 2006 | Terri Morgan-Besecker

Posted on 01/26/2006 7:00:29 PM PST by buccaneer81

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To: Allegra

OMG... That is Great. LOL

MM


41 posted on 01/27/2006 11:57:08 AM PST by motormouth
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To: Deepkimche

Couldn't legal aid help you with the custody issue?


42 posted on 01/27/2006 12:07:49 PM PST by Pan_Yans Wife ("Death is better, a milder fate than tyranny. "--Aeschylus)
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To: colorcountry


""My daughter is paying her ex child support. She works from home and is their day care provider before and after school 5 days a week regardless of whether or not it is her "custody" time, otherwise they share custody...one week with dad, one week with mom.""

How did that even happen? What state do they live in? She needs a better lawyer.


43 posted on 01/27/2006 1:30:59 PM PST by LauraleeBraswell
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To: LauraleeBraswell

They live in Utah. She makes substantially more money than he does.

When they were separated, she agreed to continue paying for day care since she was working outside of the home then. When she was able to rearrange her schedule so that she could work from home before school and after, she took them out of day care. Hubby thought that was somehow unfair since she no longer had to "pay." It's a mess, they haven't been back to court, but I see them heading in that direction.


44 posted on 01/27/2006 1:39:07 PM PST by colorcountry (Currently not in the process of becoming a God!)
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To: Allegra; right right
The "little girl" crap is uncalled for.

Well, considering that LauraLee has stated in many previous posts that she is 18 years old, I wouldn't call it "crap."

As far as calling RightRight a "noob", I do believe we were all new here at one time.

45 posted on 01/27/2006 1:57:05 PM PST by buccaneer81 (Bob Taft has soiled the family name for the next century.)
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To: Dashing Dasher; Allegra
Oh, so the divorce is always the man's fault? Get real. Women initiate 70% of the divorces in this country. They know they're going to get the kids, the child support and possibly the house.

My ex committed adultery, left, took my son, got full custody after I went through $30,000 fighting for custody and somehow its the man's fault?

She makes $42k, I make $50k and I pay $800 a month. In essence, she pays nothing to raise our son.

Oh and I see my son FOUR days a month. The courts say that's plenty. Sure.

So all you man haters keep living in your feminist fantasy world. Forced separation of children from a parent and confiscatory transfer of income are hardly conservative ideals. Are you ladies sure you're on the right forum?

46 posted on 01/27/2006 2:09:48 PM PST by buccaneer81 (Bob Taft has soiled the family name for the next century.)
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To: buccaneer81; Allegra; right right
Thankyou Allegra.

""Well, considering that LauraLee has stated in many previous posts that she is 18 years old, I wouldn't call it "crap.""" - Right Right



So I guess referring to me as "little girl" is appropriate. Silly me because I thought it was rude, out of line and condescending.



I don't know how old you are, but last time I checked killing your wife (or husband for that matter)is never justified. Blaming society is a liberal's argument.



Right Right: Then you hear about how a woman is murdered by her ex. ""Push anyone too far and they strike back or crack."" Cracking puts them on the street somewhere and striking back puts them in prison. Either way society pays for it.


uh hu. Just let me get this clear. So, if the decent guy in this article were to go out and shoot his ex wife in the head, that would be understandable because.... ???
47 posted on 01/27/2006 3:09:54 PM PST by LauraleeBraswell
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To: LauraleeBraswell
Rude and condescending? No. Appropriate. When I was 18, I also thought I knew it all. When you're 42 (as I am) and become a victim of our wonderful court system, and find that your constitutional rights no longer exist, you'll understand.

As usual, the female in you has taken an opinion out of context. I would never condone murder. But considering the price men pay when a selfish woman decides to destroy his life and deprive him of his children, it is good to know that 99.9% of men are decent, stable human beings.

When the government tells you how often you can see your kids, and you have to pay a fortune to your ex who created the entire mess, you get back to me.

49 posted on 01/27/2006 5:28:37 PM PST by buccaneer81 (Bob Taft has soiled the family name for the next century.)
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To: LauraleeBraswell

Look dumbass, I never said it was OK for anyone to hurt anyone. I don't care how old you are. I didn't call you "little girl". I pointed out a fact. """"Push anyone too far and they strike back or crack."""" I did not excuse any illegal or violent behavior. Too often you see 2 people from a divorce and so full of hate they cannot even look out for the child(ren). Push anyone too far and they react, sometimes violently. I did not say it was OK for this guy to do anything to his ex. Learn to read. I would guess this guy is part the lower socio-economic crowd and he probably did not marry the school valedictorian. Don't bother to reply as I am tired of talking with foolish sexist people.


50 posted on 01/27/2006 6:03:35 PM PST by right right
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To: right right; LauraleeBraswell
I did not say it was OK for this guy to do anything to his ex. Learn to read. I would guess this guy is part the lower socio-economic crowd and he probably did not marry the school valedictorian. Don't bother to reply as I am tired of talking with foolish sexist people.

Thanks for the assist, rightright. I have a BA (International Relations) 1985. I'm currently working on my MA in History at Ohio State. But you are correct in that I did not marry the sharpest tool in the shed. My mistake. And I keep paying and paying and paying.

51 posted on 01/27/2006 6:16:42 PM PST by buccaneer81 (Bob Taft has soiled the family name for the next century.)
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To: Dashing Dasher
No one is living off $880/month with kids these days.

$880 would pay my mortgage, utilities, phone, internet, and have a little left over. I've got kids! His ex-girlfriend was working when the support order was entered and earned slightly more than he did.

Okay, he's making $10/hour, let's say she's making $12. His gross per month is $1600, hers is $1920. She's taking $880 of his money, bumping her gross to $2800/month, While he's left with his after tax/confiscation/etc. of $400. Oh, well that was before he lost his job, truck, etc. because of being thrown in jail.

We worry about the kids, yet we show them how we punish the father by breaking his financial world, his spirit, and sending him into alcohol. What a great message for the kids. Oh, and teach them like you do. Kids emulate their parents. These kids will be far more likely to experience their own divorces, lousy family relations, and such than kids that grow up respecting their fathers.

I noted in the story that he was attempting to keep up with this outrageous confiscation of his income, but failed and was punished for failing. Is this just? Is this what women want? To pass on this kind of heritage?

52 posted on 01/27/2006 6:48:28 PM PST by Big Giant Head (I should change my tagline to "Big Giant Pancake on my Head")
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To: Big Giant Head

Suppose the earth and the moon switched places?

You speak in BS..What ifs - I'm not playing!

Bye


53 posted on 01/27/2006 8:37:30 PM PST by Dashing Dasher (People who live in glass houses, shouldn't walk around naked... or throw stones....)
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To: buccaneer81
As far as calling RightRight a "noob", I do believe we were all new here at one time.

Perhaps, but not all of us were trying to be tough and coming off as idiots.

Not all of us went blatantly attributing opinions to another that were never stated.

As you have done as well.

Why don't you two tough guys just go sit around and beat your chests together and cry about how evil, hateful awful women are?

54 posted on 01/27/2006 9:25:40 PM PST by Allegra (Stamp Out Jet Lag. Abolish Time Zones.)
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To: Go Gordon
Don't tell me you are advocating that the taxpayers should pick up the tab. In the grand scheme of things, these are personal squabbles. No offense, but I don't think my tax dollars should be used for your relative's life choices.

How in the heck did you you come to that conclusion? Did you even read the post, or do you have some sort of automatic "don't steal my money" reflex.

The Court screwed up the first time; he had to pay "out of his own pocket" for lawyers for years to rectify the situation.

The court should have made the correct decision the first time; thus no more of his money would have been spent. FWIW, SHE had lawyers paid for by you, the taxpayer....Legal Aid.

55 posted on 01/27/2006 10:49:03 PM PST by garandgal
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