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To: AndrewC
A possibility is that rat Histone H4 and Human histone H4 come from a common ancestor.

The question is "where do histones come from" and your idea of a possible answer is "the common ancestor of rats and humans"?

Perhaps you should back up and review the thread - your confusion over my posts may be resolved once you're clearer about what exactly it is we're discussing today.

274 posted on 01/29/2006 6:42:04 PM PST by Senator Bedfellow
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To: Senator Bedfellow
The question is "where do histones come from" and your idea of a possible answer is "the common ancestor of rats and humans"?

No, the question was.... "Read this, tell me if you think histones are a problem for NDT."

This was your fiction...."homologs such as the protamines may well have served some entirely different function before doing what histones do now. A minor change to that homolog, and presto - histones."

This is sequence data for H4 for the applicable species.



gi|55667113|ref|XP_520759.1| PREDICTED: similar to germinal histone H4 gene [Pan troglodytes] Length=152

Score = 162 bits (410), Expect = 3e-39
Identities = 82/82 (100%), Positives = 82/82 (100%), Gaps = 0/82 (0%)

Query 22 VLRDNIQGITKPAIRRLARRGGVKRISGLIYEETRGVLKVFLENVIRDAVTYTEHAKRKT 81 VLRDNIQGITKPAIRRLARRGGVKRISGLIYEETRGVLKVFLENVIRDAVTYTEHAKRKT Sbjct 71 VLRDNIQGITKPAIRRLARRGGVKRISGLIYEETRGVLKVFLENVIRDAVTYTEHAKRKT 130 Query 82 VTAMDVVYALKRQGRTLYGFGG 103 VTAMDVVYALKRQGRTLYGFGG Sbjct 131 VTAMDVVYALKRQGRTLYGFGG 152

gi|50729214|ref|XP_425458.1| PREDICTED: similar to germinal histone H4 gene [Gallus gallus] Length=171

Score = 162 bits (410), Expect = 3e-39
Identities = 82/82 (100%), Positives = 82/82 (100%), Gaps = 0/82 (0%)

Query 22 VLRDNIQGITKPAIRRLARRGGVKRISGLIYEETRGVLKVFLENVIRDAVTYTEHAKRKT 81 VLRDNIQGITKPAIRRLARRGGVKRISGLIYEETRGVLKVFLENVIRDAVTYTEHAKRKT Sbjct 90 VLRDNIQGITKPAIRRLARRGGVKRISGLIYEETRGVLKVFLENVIRDAVTYTEHAKRKT 149 Query 82 VTAMDVVYALKRQGRTLYGFGG 103 VTAMDVVYALKRQGRTLYGFGG Sbjct 150 VTAMDVVYALKRQGRTLYGFGG 171

gi|76651053|ref|XP_875330.1| PREDICTED: similar to germinal histone H4 gene [Bos taurus] Length=129

Score = 162 bits (410), Expect = 3e-39
Identities = 82/82 (100%), Positives = 82/82 (100%), Gaps = 0/82 (0%)

Query 22 VLRDNIQGITKPAIRRLARRGGVKRISGLIYEETRGVLKVFLENVIRDAVTYTEHAKRKT 81 VLRDNIQGITKPAIRRLARRGGVKRISGLIYEETRGVLKVFLENVIRDAVTYTEHAKRKT Sbjct 48 VLRDNIQGITKPAIRRLARRGGVKRISGLIYEETRGVLKVFLENVIRDAVTYTEHAKRKT 107 Query 82 VTAMDVVYALKRQGRTLYGFGG 103 VTAMDVVYALKRQGRTLYGFGG Sbjct 108 VTAMDVVYALKRQGRTLYGFGG 129

gi|33114104|gb|AAP94670.1| histone H4 [Mytilus chilensis]

gi|51315709|sp|Q6WV74|H4_MYTCH Histone H4 Length=103

Score = 162 bits (410), Expect = 3e-39
Identities = 82/82 (100%), Positives = 82/82 (100%), Gaps = 0/82 (0%)

Query 22 VLRDNIQGITKPAIRRLARRGGVKRISGLIYEETRGVLKVFLENVIRDAVTYTEHAKRKT 81 VLRDNIQGITKPAIRRLARRGGVKRISGLIYEETRGVLKVFLENVIRDAVTYTEHAKRKT Sbjct 22 VLRDNIQGITKPAIRRLARRGGVKRISGLIYEETRGVLKVFLENVIRDAVTYTEHAKRKT 81 Query 82 VTAMDVVYALKRQGRTLYGFGG 103 VTAMDVVYALKRQGRTLYGFGG Sbjct 82 VTAMDVVYALKRQGRTLYGFGG 103

gi|47199540|emb|CAF87814.1| unnamed protein product [Tetraodon nigroviridis] Length=102

Score = 162 bits (410), Expect = 3e-39
Identities = 82/82 (100%), Positives = 82/82 (100%), Gaps = 0/82 (0%)

Query 22 VLRDNIQGITKPAIRRLARRGGVKRISGLIYEETRGVLKVFLENVIRDAVTYTEHAKRKT 81 VLRDNIQGITKPAIRRLARRGGVKRISGLIYEETRGVLKVFLENVIRDAVTYTEHAKRKT Sbjct 21 VLRDNIQGITKPAIRRLARRGGVKRISGLIYEETRGVLKVFLENVIRDAVTYTEHAKRKT 80 Query 82 VTAMDVVYALKRQGRTLYGFGG 103 VTAMDVVYALKRQGRTLYGFGG Sbjct 81 VTAMDVVYALKRQGRTLYGFGG 102

gi|27692935|gb|AAH19757.2| Hist2h4 protein [Mus musculus] Length=112

Score = 162 bits (410), Expect = 3e-39
Identities = 82/82 (100%), Positives = 82/82 (100%), Gaps = 0/82 (0%)

Query 22 VLRDNIQGITKPAIRRLARRGGVKRISGLIYEETRGVLKVFLENVIRDAVTYTEHAKRKT 81 VLRDNIQGITKPAIRRLARRGGVKRISGLIYEETRGVLKVFLENVIRDAVTYTEHAKRKT Sbjct 31 VLRDNIQGITKPAIRRLARRGGVKRISGLIYEETRGVLKVFLENVIRDAVTYTEHAKRKT 90 Query 82 VTAMDVVYALKRQGRTLYGFGG 103 VTAMDVVYALKRQGRTLYGFGG Sbjct 91 VTAMDVVYALKRQGRTLYGFGG 112

gi|47479776|gb|AAH69288.1| H4 histone family, member C [Homo sapiens] Length=103

Score = 162 bits (410), Expect = 3e-39 Identities = 82/82 (100%), Positives = 82/82 (100%), Gaps = 0/82 (0%)

Query 22 VLRDNIQGITKPAIRRLARRGGVKRISGLIYEETRGVLKVFLENVIRDAVTYTEHAKRKT 81 VLRDNIQGITKPAIRRLARRGGVKRISGLIYEETRGVLKVFLENVIRDAVTYTEHAKRKT Sbjct 22 VLRDNIQGITKPAIRRLARRGGVKRISGLIYEETRGVLKVFLENVIRDAVTYTEHAKRKT 81 Query 82 VTAMDVVYALKRQGRTLYGFGG 103 VTAMDVVYALKRQGRTLYGFGG

Show me the sequence data for the homolog protamine in your fiction and it might become a possibility and not fiction.

280 posted on 01/29/2006 7:16:14 PM PST by AndrewC (Darwinian logic -- It is just-so if it is just-so)
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