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To: whattajoke

>You have no idea how absurd that is, do you?

As I understood it in the definitions posted above: Hypothesis->Theory->Law. So, it may not be afull-fledged theory theory yet...more like a hybrid between theory and law. That's ID.


92 posted on 01/23/2006 6:19:45 PM PST by TheBrotherhood
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To: TheBrotherhood

Theories do not become Laws, and Laws were never theories.


93 posted on 01/23/2006 6:20:41 PM PST by Junior (Identical fecal matter, alternate diurnal period)
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To: TheBrotherhood
As I understood it in the definitions posted above: Hypothesis->Theory->Law. So, it may not be afull-fledged theory theory yet...more like a hybrid between theory and law. That's ID.

The list of definitions I posted is not in any particular order--it grew as I added more and more definitions. I am repeating the pertinent ones again:

Theory: a well-substantiated explanation of some aspect of the natural world; an organized system of accepted knowledge that applies in a variety of circumstances to explain a specific set of phenomena; "theories can incorporate facts and laws and tested hypotheses." Addendum: "Theories do not grow up to be laws. Theories explain laws." (Courtesy of VadeRetro.)

Hypothesis: a tentative theory about the natural world; a concept that is not yet verified but that if true would explain certain facts or phenomena; "a scientific hypothesis that survives experimental testing becomes a scientific theory"; "he proposed a fresh theory of alkalis that later was accepted in chemical practices"

Law: a generalization that describes recurring facts or events in nature; "the laws of thermodynamics"

Note that a theory does not grow up to be a law. A law is very simple, and often a description of observed events. A theory attempts to explain the events and how they interrelate.

Also, a theory is not a starting point. You don't sit down and say, this is my theory in science. You propose hypotheses and test them. If you get a lot of successful tests you can form a theory from them. A well-tested and well-supported theory is the goal of science because it explains things.

This is where ID fails as a theory. There is no testing being done; there is simply nothing resembling the scientific method to ID.

At the most, there are hypotheses; where they could be tested at all, they have been shown to be incorrect. Don't pass go, don't advance to theory.

101 posted on 01/23/2006 6:30:21 PM PST by Coyoteman (I love the sound of beta decay in the morning!)
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To: TheBrotherhood
As I understood it in the definitions posted above: Hypothesis->Theory->Law. So, it may not be afull-fledged theory theory yet...more like a hybrid between theory and law. That's ID.

You misunderstood it then. Before ID can even sniff at the realm of theory, it has to be a scientific hypothesis. To be a hypothesis, it must survive experimental testing. To date, no one - not even Behe and his buddies that devised the new creationism (ID) - have come up with these tests. So it has failed miserably this time around. And, as an FYI, theories do not and never will "become laws." It just doesn't work that way.
107 posted on 01/23/2006 6:35:00 PM PST by whattajoke
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