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How the South belatedly won America's civil war
BBC News UK ^ | 01/20/2006 | By David Cannadine

Posted on 01/20/2006 2:50:00 PM PST by oxcart

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To: oxcart
Places like North Carolina ... have become extremely attractive ... to those who wish to retire from the cold North East ...

True, they've all moved into my neighborhood. Even I am beginning to speak like I came from Long Island (sounds like "lawn guyland").

121 posted on 01/21/2006 6:08:29 AM PST by JoeGar
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To: strider44
"I don't buy that. What I have noticed, is that white guys I know in the military from southern states, these guys are officers from South Carolina and Georgia, use the "N" word all the time. Not in public but during their family gatherings, amongst themselves etc. "

Interesting. Why then do you suppose they were comfortable using that word around you? My experience in the U.S. Army taught me that racism is not limited by geography or skin color.

122 posted on 01/21/2006 6:32:49 AM PST by Godebert
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To: SF Republican
We have been occupied for 140 years now

Indeed the South has been occupied territory for 140 years. And even though Washington DC gets even more of our tribute money than they did then, it's evident today's Republicans are trying to waste it faster than the Republicans did then as well

How the South belatedly won America's civil war

Doesn't look like that to me. Everyday I turn on the local news some damn transplanted yankee is complaining that we don't have this or don't have that 'down here'. I'd ask every self respecting Southerner to do a good deed at least once a month. Buy a bus ticket for a yankee and get them to go home.

123 posted on 01/21/2006 6:38:46 AM PST by billbears (Deo Vindice)
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To: Godebert

I don't know. I guess because I was white? I suppose I could have protested, maybe it's a character flaw that I didn't. It was a commonly-used word in private circles in the south. I know this isn't limited to the south, but it's just what I noticed. I found it odd that a fellow officer would throw that word out so casually. But you're right, there's plenty of racism to go around. Old-school Boston Irish are not the most tolerant bunch either. I fall in that demographic, but I don't use racial slurs. Now calling someone a fag or homo is a different story. That is so commom in the military it isn't even funny. I'm guilty of it too. We do it as a joke though. I call my best friends "fags", "homos" , "Meat Gazers", you name it. It's akin to Black guys calling themselves the "n" word in casual conversation. They do it all the time like a term of endearment.


124 posted on 01/21/2006 6:43:15 AM PST by strider44
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To: Darkwolf377
Good thing I scrolled down as I was going to make the same point.

Also, isn't the Civil Rights Act the reason why gub'mint can now call every saloon, bar, restaurant and bowling alley a "public accommodation" and ignore the property rights of the owner?

125 posted on 01/21/2006 7:11:39 AM PST by metesky ("Brethren, leave us go amongst them." Rev. Capt. Samuel Johnston Clayton - Ward Bond- The Searchers)
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To: WestVirginiaRebel
I don't care if they had popular votes in those states or not.

They didn't.

126 posted on 01/21/2006 7:19:25 AM PST by metesky ("Brethren, leave us go amongst them." Rev. Capt. Samuel Johnston Clayton - Ward Bond- The Searchers)
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To: Casloy

Just as one can be a Texan and American at the same time, so can one be a southerner or "son of the south" and be an American at the same time.

Any "myth" you referenced was your own creation.


127 posted on 01/21/2006 7:23:23 AM PST by Rebelbase (I love global warming in the winter.)
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To: RegulatorCountry
I know the article is from a simpleton from the UK. The main theme of the article is the fact that the dims can not win with out votes from the south. Clintoon1 was lucky, Gore and Kerry lost and Clintoon2 will loose even worse.
129 posted on 01/21/2006 7:36:08 AM PST by oxcart (Remember Bush lied.......People DYED... THEIR FINGERS! (M. Steyn))
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To: Fledermaus

I know!


130 posted on 01/21/2006 7:40:59 AM PST by oxcart (Remember Bush lied.......People DYED... THEIR FINGERS! (M. Steyn))
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To: LauraleeBraswell

"If the South had won, we wouldn't be The United States, we'd be two different nations."

In the event that a draw was fought and the north accepted
the succession yes.



But not necessarily, had the south "won",that is had they vanquished the north, there might have evolved a Unified States of America, and it's certainly possible that while
it would have been different to begin with, after a hundred
and fifty years, it might look much as we do today.


131 posted on 01/21/2006 7:43:29 AM PST by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: NaughtiusMaximus

"Cant we all just get a long?"


132 posted on 01/21/2006 7:45:17 AM PST by oxcart (Remember Bush lied.......People DYED... THEIR FINGERS! (M. Steyn))
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To: MikeinIraq

LOL, no Im not getting in the middle of this...watching is just fine. :)


133 posted on 01/21/2006 7:46:39 AM PST by oxcart (Remember Bush lied.......People DYED... THEIR FINGERS! (M. Steyn))
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To: Final Authority

I'll give you credit buttinski.

You at least live in the one state of the northeast left with some balls to withstand the Red Diaper Babies.

That gives you some credence to shoot yer mouth off but it's fading fast.


134 posted on 01/21/2006 7:48:40 AM PST by wardaddy (Alito is Clapton)
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To: My2Cents
The south is better off for having lost the Civil War. And America is better for not having lost the south.

The Republic died in 1865. Federalism unchecked. Enjoy.

135 posted on 01/21/2006 7:50:24 AM PST by sam_paine (X .................................)
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To: Final Authority

btw....all yankee transplants are not bad news...i took pains to clarify that as i often do.


136 posted on 01/21/2006 7:52:10 AM PST by wardaddy (Alito is Clapton)
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To: JoeGar
I know, I have 2 sisters that were raised in Ohio, moved to Texas and lost their yankee speak and got a Texas twang. Now they have moved to Raleigh and the yankee is coming back.
137 posted on 01/21/2006 7:56:33 AM PST by oxcart (Remember Bush lied.......People DYED... THEIR FINGERS! (M. Steyn))
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To: WestVirginiaRebel; Arkinsaw
The South didn't have the economic means to win the war and got no foreign recognition.

Say the same thing for the American Revolution, then? Without the French Naval bombardment, Cornwallis could've crushed Washington. And Washington, the first American Rebel, fought for a country that accepted slavery.

The American Revolution was good in your eyes because a Southerner won. The Civil War was bad because Marhta Washington's descendent surrendered at Appomattox?

138 posted on 01/21/2006 8:00:27 AM PST by sam_paine (X .................................)
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To: strider44; Godebert

and they don't say the N-word in the North?.....have you been to Bensonhurst, Bay Ridge, Indiana, Ohio, rural New York State, the Pine Barrens, etc?

you're fooling yourself.

I had a place in Manahattan from 80-88 and I heard it all the time. When they realized I was Southern, they would crank it up thinking it was ok with me not realizing my daddy spanked my butt for using that word because his family considered it white trash vernacular....that being said, I would imagine nearly everyone has said the word at least privately to themselves in anger. It's certainly required lingo amongst hip hop culture....probably one of the most used nouns in their rhyme.

i bet anyone with a military career in mind these days is mighty careful about offending any minority...the military seems to be our preeminent social engineering petrie dish.


139 posted on 01/21/2006 8:05:14 AM PST by wardaddy (Alito is Clapton)
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To: My2Cents

that's a reasonable argument not dripping with the customary vitriol one finds on WBTS topics

I salute you!


140 posted on 01/21/2006 8:07:26 AM PST by wardaddy (Alito is Clapton)
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