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It has been said that some of the writers in the National Review during the 1960s were ex-Marxists who opposed communism, but retained an atheistic world view. Names such as James Burnham and Frank Meyer come to mind.
1 posted on 01/19/2006 3:56:17 AM PST by ComtedeMaistre
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To: ComtedeMaistre

This is one dumb vanity.


45 posted on 01/19/2006 4:38:32 AM PST by right wing (I BELIEVE CONGRESSMAN WELDON!)
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To: ComtedeMaistre

That is the most idiotic thing I've heard since Chocolate Nagin and Plantation Hillary.


46 posted on 01/19/2006 4:39:07 AM PST by mtbopfuyn (Legality does not dictate morality... Lavin)
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To: ComtedeMaistre
Do atheists make good conservatives?

As long as they believe that Creationism is a legitimate scientific theory that must be taught in every high school along with chemistry and physics.

55 posted on 01/19/2006 4:53:11 AM PST by Labyrinthos
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To: ComtedeMaistre
I can see where it would be possible to embrace conservative values regardless of believing in God.

After all, God gave advice to people on how to live to be prosperous, healthy, and happy, and to spread that prosperity to those less fortunate.

Marital fidelity, raising children, and honesty in all dealings, all help make for a better life.

Although those values (and more) are in alignment with a religious life, that is because the instructions God gave for living well work, regardless of the individual's beliefs.

It would be foolish in my estimation to exclude those who believe as we do in all things but religion, for those here who hold God dear do not believe exactly the same things in a religious sense, either.

56 posted on 01/19/2006 4:54:11 AM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly.)
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To: ComtedeMaistre

an atheist can be a conservative, but a hater of Christianity cannot be a conservative...so...only atheists who are tolerant in the best sense of the word.

that said, i think this category of conservative is quite small.


57 posted on 01/19/2006 4:54:56 AM PST by ConservativeDude
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To: ComtedeMaistre

From what I have seen, part of the libertarian "faith" is to hate Christians with their social marxist brothern. One can be economically conservative and socially radical leftist. That is what i see among atheist libertarians.

To me, this an ignorant combination. A morally educated and dedicated society is necessary for self governance; the governance the libertarians want. But they advocate amorality and attack anyone who asserts moral principal and this is the social condition that leads to socialism.


61 posted on 01/19/2006 5:00:24 AM PST by Galveston Grl (Getting angry and abandoning power to the Democrats is not a choice.)
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To: ComtedeMaistre

Yes, as long as they believe in Intelligent Design. And so long as they don't watch "Everybody Loves Raymond." A preference for Linux over MS helps, though Mac use is acceptable also.


67 posted on 01/19/2006 5:04:15 AM PST by Larry Lucido
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I don't believe an atheist is a genuine conservative. They might adhere to some conservative principles, but the founding father's were not secularists, nor did they envision success for the republic unless the people remained righteous. Additionally, globalism is incompatible with genuine conservatism, too.
74 posted on 01/19/2006 5:10:31 AM PST by Nephi (Illegal immigration is the flip side of the globalist free trade coin. Bush is a globalist.)
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I must be honest about this, I don't know what a genuine conservative even is. I know there's a big difference between us who post here and the leftie rabble that post over on DU.

But aside from that, there's no pedigree required over here at FR. We have a wide range of people here, and I'd say that as a group, we have a greater tendency to treat with respect people of religion than the DUers.

Hence, there's a greater tendency among religious people (primarily those who self-identify as Christians) to post arguments consistent with religious teachings, and they are generally treated with more respect than is to be expected from the left.

But when it comes right down to it, it's not about a politico-religious pedigree - we have a two-party political system here, and you vote red or blue.

I'd never ask somebody else what religion they are, it doesn't matter to me. If they agree with me on most salient points, I figure we're on the same side.

83 posted on 01/19/2006 5:19:43 AM PST by Kenton
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Conservatism has a wide scale which includes those at both ends of the spectrum. Some here are more religious than others but that is merely one issue. The Republican Party is a large umbrella meant to include all of us who agree on the basic issues.

We do not march in lockstep to a narrow point of view, but except the views of those whose ideas differ from ours in some lesser degree yet do not embrace the ideas of Liberalism, Socialism, Communism, etc.

If we come to the point in which we decide that those who are considered acceptable in narrowed down to a few ideas we will become irrelevant and powerless such as many third parties we hear about and see during national elections that win nothing consistently.

There is nothing wrong with religion or those who believe in a higher authority. Religion provides hope and a guide for our moral compass so that we may strive to be better than what we could be without it.

Religion shouldn't offend anyone or be demanded by anyone. We all have the freedom to make our choices as to how we live our lives within the restrictions of law and our faith or lack thereof.

I except those with many perspectives on life as long as there beliefs don't demand my approval.

But that is just one persons opinion, my own.
86 posted on 01/19/2006 5:22:51 AM PST by TheForceOfOne
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To: ComtedeMaistre

Yes, you can be an atheist and a good conservative-but you can't call yourself both religious and liberal and expect to be taken seriously.


87 posted on 01/19/2006 5:24:17 AM PST by WestVirginiaRebel (The Democratic Party-Jackass symbol, jackass leaders, jackass supporters.)
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To: ComtedeMaistre

Are you a troll just trying to be provocative?


89 posted on 01/19/2006 5:24:29 AM PST by doc30 (Democrats are to morals what and Etch-A-Sketch is to Art.)
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Can An Atheist Be a Genuine Conservative?

Of course. The only relevant difference I can think of is that atheists obviously cannot regard human rights as God-given, but I presume many of them have some other philosophical rationale for respecting them.

90 posted on 01/19/2006 5:24:45 AM PST by Sloth (Archaeologists test for intelligent design all the time.)
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Most conservatives are religious.

Really?

Should atheists be welcomed into the conservative movement? Do atheists make good conservatives?

Are you frigging kidding me? You can't really be serious. If I didn't know better, I'd say this is troll speak. As the captain of my ship used to say incredulously as a new helmsman tried to run the ship ashore, "GTFOH!"

100 posted on 01/19/2006 5:32:24 AM PST by Fierce Allegiance (Back from a suspension I never knew about!)
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If someone says he doesn't believe in God, I respect them. If someone says I'm irrational/narrow-minded/naive/weak etc. for believing in God, then I write them off. Those kind should not be taken seriously.

Of course, if you are an atheist what exactly endows us with inalienable rights?

104 posted on 01/19/2006 5:37:16 AM PST by Tribune7
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I'm not religious, though I'm not an atheist, and I am staunchly conservative with libertarian tendencies. I sympathize with those who are religious, and I understand why they believe as they do even if they do not share their faith. I was built differently, built to question everything endlessly.


115 posted on 01/19/2006 5:53:41 AM PST by oblomov (Join the FR Folding@Home Team (#36120) keyword: folding@home)
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If you view the culture wars as being primarily big government vs small govt, then libertarians, who would include atheists, are the only real conservatives. They believe in freedom, consistent with the rule of law.

Actually, the attitudes of "religious conservatives" toward freedom are very similar to those of liberals. The differ only in their specific priorities. Both groups are autocratic when it comes to issues that are important to them. For example, liberals when it comes to gun control, forcing us to dispose of our property as they see fit or inventing phony "rights" for favored groups. Religious conservatives are more likely to ban baseball on Sundays or get into peoples bed rooms.

Both groups are all for civil liberties when the things they might compromise things are not important to them, e.g. liberals with national defense and conservatives with school busing.


117 posted on 01/19/2006 5:55:24 AM PST by haroldeveryman
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Of course. Silly question.


122 posted on 01/19/2006 6:10:47 AM PST by TheBigB (Time waits for no man. Unless that man is Chuck Norris.)
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You can't base public policy on religion and emotion.


124 posted on 01/19/2006 6:18:31 AM PST by Despot of the Delta ("Never argue with an idiot. They will bring you down to their level and beat you with experience")
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One need not be religious to hold Judeo-Christian values and to acknowledge the importance of those values, even if they don't necessarily believe in the source of those values.


133 posted on 01/19/2006 6:27:21 AM PST by dfwgator
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