WorldWatch - Creation and Evolution in the Schools

World Watch and The Rhinoceros Times ^ | January 8, 2006 | Orson Scott Card

[Elsie]

...many people regard creationists as uneducated boobs...

[WildHorseCrash]

I've been using the adjective "atheistic" to circumscribe a type of science that believes elimination of God to be paramount to objectivity.

Than you are ignorant as to what the word "atheistic" means.

No amount of weaseling will change the fact that the statement "God is beyond the purview of science" is atheistic, nonthesitic, or untheistic. Take your pick. This attribution need not be hyperextended as if science is declaring God to be "non-existent" in essence, but non-existent as falling under the considerations of science

That is stupid of you to say. There is a difference between me saying "I cannot see you" and "You do not exist." The first, in essence, is what science says about its ability to consider God. The second is what an atheist says about God. If you cannot see and understand the difference, then further conversation is pointless.

[Elsie]

The concept is no different than believing that God caused the evaporation, which gave us a load of moisture, that made the rain.

 

 

Genesis 2

 

 1.  Thus the heavens and the earth were completed in all their vast array.
 2.  By the seventh day God had finished the work he had been doing; so on the seventh day he rested  from all his work.
 3.  And God blessed the seventh day and made it holy, because on it he rested from all the work of creating that he had done.
 4.  This is the account of the heavens and the earth when they were created.   When the LORD God made the earth and the heavens--
 5.  and no shrub of the field had yet appeared on the earth and no plant of the field had yet sprung up, for the LORD God had not sent rain on the earth  and there was no man to work the ground,
 6.  but streams  came up from the earth and watered the whole surface of the ground--

[Elsie]

There are differences in degree but not in kind -- we have bigger vocabularies, we build better tools, our body hair tends to be shorter.

 

Says you!

 

[Elsie]

If there ARE Conservative Evolutionists who would vote for a Liberal Evolutionist over a Conservative Creationist; just what does it say about which ideology they value the most?

[Elsie]

What's up?

Are you guys getting tired of the USUAL names you call us?

[Elsie]

The TV weather-girl is hired because of her big boobs and her willingness to date the station manager.

We expect a bit more from scripture.

HUH?

[Tolik]

Update: summary of the Sci-Fi books' recommendations: (in no particular order):

• Alistaire Reynolds "Revelation Space" (must read from the beginning)

• The early Honor Harrington stories by David Weber.

• Peter Hamilton's Reality Disfunction series. Peter Hamilton's Pandora's Star series.

• David Feintuch's Hope series. (first 4 books)

• Heinlein

• Forward

• Niven

• Pournelle

• Joe Haldeman

• Keith Laumer's time travel and alternate-universe stories.

• Iain Banks  "Culture" novels

• Greg Bear (Eon, Queen of Angels)

• Neil Gaiman (American Gods, Good Omens-with Terry Prattchet).

• Vernor Vinge (everything),

• Dan Simmons (Hyperion Cantos)

• Neal Stephenson (Diamond Age; Snow Crash; CRYPTONOMICON)

• Orson Scott Card

• Fred Hoyle's "Black Cloud"

• Willam Gibson  "Neuromancer"

• Phillip K. Dick

• Nancy Kress  Beggars in Spain

• PJ Farmer

[Elsie]

That was something of a hurdle we had to get over, yes.

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[Senator Bedfellow]

That is the danger of beginning with a false premise.

What false premise?

The complexity of spontaneous biological replication is impossible.

What, specifically, do you mean by "spontaneous biological replication", and why is it impossible?

Then the insuperability of thermodynamics makes me open to other explanations.

How does thermodynamics present an impediment?

Not to be a spoilsport, but it does look rather like the original point that no real evidence has been brought out as support for ID remains unchallenged.

[Elsie]

There are many people, even many Christians, who think that people who don't believe evolution also think the earth was created in 7 days, and therefore they are as dumb as bricks.

Brick-like placemarker.

[Elsie]

Thus, there's no reason to mention God in typing class, or sewing class or auto repair class, or biology class. God's there, but not particularly relevant to the subject at hand.

Thst's because the Book doesn't mention typing, or sewing, or cars or biology.

But it DOES touch a bit on CREATION!

[Elsie]

It could be, but he blinks too slowly.

I didn't see it until your post!

[Elsie]

That's more than enough. For a lifetime.

And yet you return...

[Elsie]

Hotel room?

"How can I quit these threads???"

[Elsie]

If there's one thing I've never been accused of . . .

Have you stopped beating your wife?

[Elsie]

I prefer women. :)

Seems to be a requirement for specie survival.

I guess the 'gay gene' will breed itself to oblivion some day.

[Elsie]

It strikes me as being akin to the "Gay Jeans Day" that I experience in college, whereby the local gay and lesbian group would ask everyone to wear jeans on a certain day if they supported special rights for gays. They knew full well that on any given day, the vast majority of students wore jeans, and that there was no causal connection between the wearing of jeans and their plea.

Wow!

Just like that elephant repellent I bought last year! I sprayed it on, and, sure enough, there have been NO elephants even CLOSE to me!

[Elsie]

Don't do "gay jean" science.

For if you do, they may make a cowboy pitcher about it!

[Elsie]

Who knew that such a union was approaching??

I mean gay gene and gay jeans right next to each other in this thread!

Cosmic alignment LIVES!!!!