Posted on 01/18/2006 1:03:24 PM PST by neverdem
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Making war on civilians is never honorable.
I think you know that....
horse hockey......
Let's look at the debt of the US in February 1861 and the out of control spending by Congress. From Congressman Phelps (of Missouri, I think) in the Congressional Globe, February 6, 1861, page 774 (paragraph breaks mine for readability):
At this moment, the outstanding debt of the United States is $69,373,000; comprising the loans authorized by the acts of 1842, 1846, 1847, 1848, 1858, and 1860, the Texas indemnity loan of 1850, together with the outstanding Treasury notes authorized by several acts. ...
... the existing debt of the United States is nearly seventy million dollars. The $10,000,000 Treasury notes recently issued were negotiated, a portion at twelve per cent., and a portion at between ten and eleven. Your ten per cent. Treasury notes are sold in the market of New York below par; and if you authorize new loans that are not absolutely necessary, you cannot negotiate them except at ruinous rates.
I have made a computation of the actual debt created and proposed to be created by this Congress. The balance of the loan authorized under act of 22nd June, 1860, is $13,978,000. If the amendment of the Senate be concurred in, that loan cannot be negotiated. I am in favor of that amendment.
The tariff bill, which will probably become a law, authorizes the loan of $21,000,000. The Pacific railroad bill as it passed the House authorized an indebtedness of $96,000,000, and the Senate put on an additional $25,000,000. In other words, the proposed indebtedness of the country is $167,000,000; making with the public debt and the loan already authorized, an aggregate of $250,351,649, With such indebtedness, how can you expect to raise a loan on favorable terms?
I hope this amendment of the Senate will be concurred in. The Government will then be enabled to raise the loan of $25,000,000 authorized in this bill [a bill authorizing $25,000,000 in loans], and $21,000,000 authorized in the tariff act.
The Secretary of the Treasury has told you he will need $25,000,000 between the date of his communication and the 1st of July next, in addition to the current revenues of the country.
So, government spending was out of control prior to the war. The only way to maintain a decent balance of payments for the US would be to retain the South whether they wanted to be retained or not.
Specifics, please.
"You're wrong" is not a very convincing counter-argument.
One minor correction - Lincoln could not claim 'plausible deniability' since he had ordered not the resupply, but the reinforcement of the fort. He had placed soldiers from the Army aboard a Navy ship, with explicit orders to withold information concerning the mission from the Secretary of the Navy, then proceeded to sabotage his own orders by redirecting Powhatan.
Had he retained any semblance of plausible deniability he would not have had to stonewall congressional inquiries with responses that release of the facts surrounding the Sumter expedition did not comport with the public interest at this time.
I do not think it is EVER honorable to make war on civilians. It wasn't honorable for Germans to target Coventry, nor the British to firebomb Dresden, And no...the Confederate Army shouldn't have burned Chambersburg, though that was a drop in the bucket to the destruction the Yankees did in the South. Now...that being said, targeting war industries is a different matter. In the case of Sherman, there was NO reason to do what he did to civilians
You are certifiable if you believe that! Columbia was burned by Sherman's men, and it is documented. The CSA burned the munitions depots, etc. in Atlanta, but when Sherman finished with the city, he burned the rest. Meridian, MS was burned to the ground, Pleasant Hill, LA was burned, and the list goes on and on!
So stop whining about Chambersburg.
Actually, President Buchanan was from Pennsylvania, and there were more Republicans that Democrats in the 36th House, 1859-1861. The Republicans in the House explains why the House passed the Morrill Tariff in the Spring of 1860, but the Senate did not until 1861 after the Southerners left. The Morrill tariff, as you probably know, extracted wealth from the South and gave it to the North.
Head counts were done on the incoming Senate after the election of 1860, and it was clear that the South could no longer stop legislation harmful to the South. Why should they stay in the Union if they were going to be treated like a colony by states that had been nullifying the Constitution over the return of fugitive slaves.
what sherman, the destroyer, did is punishable by HANGING under the International Law of War.
free dixie,sw
SECESSION is NOT one of the powers of a STATE, which was ceded to the central government.
free dixie,sw
Yes, he (Lincoln) had to destroy the Constitution in order to preserve it.
Makes perfect sense.
But it doesn't equate to what has happened in our time. Bush did what he had to do with the wiretaps and I think most people agree that it was well within his authority to do so.
You are no more an historian than you are a woman, Doris.
For that matter neither are you, Noni... (a historian, as for your gender, well.......):)
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