Most of us here view this as a long-term problem for Europe rather than a short-term one. What stunned me about the French riots wasn't that there were 1000 cars being burned per night, but that this was considered bad because on the average night, "only" 100 cars would get burned. I mean, we had a riot in another city in my state earlier this year in which 2 cars were burned, and it made national news. But in France, that's only 2% of the nightly average. That's stunning to me, and I think to many of us in the States. Per capita, that's 500 cars being burned every night in the U.S. I mean, wow.
I don't doubt your word that more secular Turks integrate well. But something is seriously wrong in a place like France where that level of lawlessness is considered normal. And we wonder what its going to be like there in 30 years given the demographic shifts.
Could be my words. It is unbelievable that the French police is tolerating i.e. the rapes and the crimes in the Banlieues. This is one of the reasons why the situation got that much out of control. We need hard punishment and motivated policemen in those areas. This would help. Furthermore those guys need work and something positive to live for.
In Germany the problems are not that severe since most muslim families are quite conservative in a positive way. The honour of the family is everything and criminal kids are a big shame. There is a lot of social pressure to behave like a civilized person - espechially in the rural areas. This is changing of course in our big towns like Berlin or Hamburg but in general it is the reality.
What stunned me about the French riots wasn't that there were 1000 cars being burned per night, but that this was considered bad because on the average night, "only" 100 cars would get burned. I mean, we had a riot in another city in my state earlier this year in which 2 cars were burned, and it made national news. But in France, that's only 2% of the nightly average.
This is correct. But if you take the US-riots around the Rodney King affair in 1992 i.e. then you had 54 killed persons, a few thousands injured persons and a damage around one billion US$. The good news for Europe: In Paris nobody died.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1992_Los_Angeles_riots
I believe that the US and Europe are not that different in this point of view.