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Lawyer: Authorities were told student's gun was fake
CNN ^ | 1/14/06 | CNN

Posted on 01/15/2006 1:51:35 PM PST by wagglebee

LONGWOOD, Florida (CNN) -- The father and brother of a teenager shot at school Friday while brandishing a pellet gun told authorities before an officer opened fire that Christopher Penley's gun was not real, the family's attorney said Saturday.

The eighth-grader is clinically brain dead and being kept on life support to harvest his organs, attorney Mark Nation said.

When Ralph Penley arrived at the school Friday to help police and school officials defuse the situation, he wasn't allowed inside, Nation said.

Nation said Ralph Penley was "angry" because he had spoken to police before he arrived at the school and told them Christopher did not have a real gun. Christopher's younger brother told school officials the same thing, Nation said.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Extended News; News/Current Events; US: Florida
KEYWORDS: fakegun; schoolshooting
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To: Supernatural

Give me a break. The kid new better than to take the gun to school. Call it what it was - suicide by cop. The minute the student pointed the gun at the cops he was toast. It was the correct call by the cops.


21 posted on 01/15/2006 2:00:18 PM PST by RochesterFan
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To: wagglebee

A pellet gun can maim or be lethal.


22 posted on 01/15/2006 2:00:20 PM PST by Clara Lou (A conservative is a liberal who has been mugged by reality. --I. Kristol)
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To: wagglebee

ping


23 posted on 01/15/2006 2:00:25 PM PST by vrwc0915 ("Necessity is the plea of every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants,)
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To: Supernatural
Trigger happy cops

Bull. If someone pointed a gun at you, and someone else you did not know told you it was fake, would you take that chance?

24 posted on 01/15/2006 2:00:38 PM PST by teenyelliott (Soylent green should be made outta liberals...)
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To: SRU308

"I don't care what information they were given ahead of time, it doesn't mean its verified/validated. If some crazed punk pointed what looked like a Beretta 92FS at me I'd drop the hammer on him too."

Big Dittoes on that

Monday Morning Quarterbacking is easy. Being in the arena is hard. Lawyers can say anything they want after the fact, the cop has to find a way to go home at the end of the shift


25 posted on 01/15/2006 2:00:43 PM PST by 5Madman2 (There is no such thing as an experienced suicide bomber)
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To: frankjr

Earlier article stated the police prevented the father from speaking with his son. I would like to know all the facts before I make a judgment on the police officers firing.


26 posted on 01/15/2006 2:00:44 PM PST by ops33 (Retired USAF Senior Master Sergeant)
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To: wagglebee

BTTT


27 posted on 01/15/2006 2:00:54 PM PST by Fiddlstix (Tagline Repair Service. Let us fix those broken Taglines. Inquire within(Presented by TagLines R US))
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To: Salvey

I would trust the word of a cop over that of an ambulance-chasing shyster lawyer.....although it is a close call!


28 posted on 01/15/2006 2:01:34 PM PST by albee ("Those that bite the hand that feeds them will lick the boot that kicks them!" - Eric Hoffer)
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To: Supernatural
You need to go to this thread, look at the picture of the 'fake gun' in post one and a picture of a real Baretta in Post 7.
29 posted on 01/15/2006 2:02:27 PM PST by Michael.SF. ('Only thing worse than a Frenchman is a Frenchman who lives in Canada' - Ted Nugent.)
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To: Supernatural

This was a small town. These small town cops receive training about gun battles, terrorists, etc. They almost never get a chance to pull out their gun and fire it. So when their chance finally does arrive, they tend to be trigger happy. Remember Barney Fife. Sheriff Andy new about this tendancy and made him carry his bullet in his shirt pocket. Probably a pretty wise practice.


30 posted on 01/15/2006 2:03:53 PM PST by LibertarianCandidate
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To: Hildy

If the child were yours, what would you be saying?


31 posted on 01/15/2006 2:04:03 PM PST by Supernatural (All the truth in the world adds up to one big lie! bob dylan)
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To: Battle Axe

That was Brandon Lee, son of Bruce Lee. He was killed with a real gun that was supposed to contain blanks. Instead, someone substituited real bullets for the blanks.


32 posted on 01/15/2006 2:05:10 PM PST by Supernatural (All the truth in the world adds up to one big lie! bob dylan)
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To: wagglebee
The father and brother of a teenager shot at school Friday while brandishing a pellet gun told authorities before an officer opened fire that Christopher Penley's gun was not real

Well which one was it? Was it a real gun (a real pellet gun) or a fake gun (not capable of firing even a pellet)? Pellet guns are real guns and can kill people (including cops).

Teen dies from pellet gun shot

Mother Killed By Son's Pellet Gun

33 posted on 01/15/2006 2:05:26 PM PST by FreedomCalls (It's the "Statue of Liberty," not the "Statue of Security.")
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To: Brilliant
The gun looked real, and he pointed it at the cop.

What I read said the kid put it to his own neck or head.

When Ralph Penley arrived at the school Friday to help police and school officials defuse the situation, he wasn't allowed inside

I think this would be a problem too.

34 posted on 01/15/2006 2:05:54 PM PST by DJ MacWoW (If you think you know what's coming next....You don't know Jack.)
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To: teenyelliott

If you killed a 13 or 14 year old child in exactly the same situation, you would be in jail on murder charges. End of story.


35 posted on 01/15/2006 2:06:14 PM PST by Supernatural (All the truth in the world adds up to one big lie! bob dylan)
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To: Supernatural
I have no problems with someone shooting someone who threatens to kill them and has a gun pointed toward him.

I believe that is called "self-defense".
36 posted on 01/15/2006 2:06:18 PM PST by ConservativeMind
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To: Supernatural

What a crock! Guy points a gun at a cop, guy dies. Guy points a gun a me, guy dies. It's very simple. Self defense is always grounds for lethal force.

Guy points a gun at you, assuming you're armed, I'll bet the guy dies then, too.

Cop-bashing with no reason just doesn't get it. Bash bad cops all you want. Don't bash cops who point a gun at them.


37 posted on 01/15/2006 2:06:33 PM PST by MineralMan (godless atheist)
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To: wagglebee

How did the father know it was fake? Father sees son painting gun to make it look real and doesn't ask some serious questions like "Why are you painting that gun to look real?"

Even though the father told the cop, cop had to judge the evidence at hand, which was that the kid had a real gun, because as we all know the fake guns have orange tips.


38 posted on 01/15/2006 2:06:59 PM PST by gotribe (Hillary: Accessory to Rape)
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To: Battle Axe

Brandon Lee, son of Bruce Lee, was killed by a prop gun during the filming of The Crow. Is that what you were thinking about?


39 posted on 01/15/2006 2:07:14 PM PST by Brytani (Democrats - destroying America since 1868)
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To: SRU308
Those cops have one primary job: Go home alive. Kill as many family pets as possible and shoot first because they never get much action any other way.
40 posted on 01/15/2006 2:07:39 PM PST by Sir Gawain
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