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Lawyer: Authorities were told student's gun was fake
CNN ^ | 1/14/06 | CNN

Posted on 01/15/2006 1:51:35 PM PST by wagglebee

LONGWOOD, Florida (CNN) -- The father and brother of a teenager shot at school Friday while brandishing a pellet gun told authorities before an officer opened fire that Christopher Penley's gun was not real, the family's attorney said Saturday.

The eighth-grader is clinically brain dead and being kept on life support to harvest his organs, attorney Mark Nation said.

When Ralph Penley arrived at the school Friday to help police and school officials defuse the situation, he wasn't allowed inside, Nation said.

Nation said Ralph Penley was "angry" because he had spoken to police before he arrived at the school and told them Christopher did not have a real gun. Christopher's younger brother told school officials the same thing, Nation said.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Extended News; News/Current Events; US: Florida
KEYWORDS: fakegun; schoolshooting
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To: Supernatural
We had a case in Uniontown, PA, a few years back, just a few days before Christmas. State Police were chasing a 12 year old kid. Two cops with guns drawn. The kid jumped a fence and so did the cops. One of the cops guns discharged when he jumped the fence and his partner thought the UNARMED child was shooting at him. He shot the UNARMED kid in the back and killed him. The internal investigation cleared the cop of SHOOTING AN UNARMED 12 YEAR OLD KID IN THE BACK AND KILLING HIM. The kid's crime? Joyriding. The penalty? Death. A civil suit is underway. The cops punishment? Reassigned to another part of the state.

What does that have to do with this case? Someone points what looks like a firearm at you, It's not reasonable that you should be required to wait and see if a real round hits you.

201 posted on 01/15/2006 3:20:21 PM PST by paul51 (11 September 2001 - Never forget)
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To: Delta 21
I had a Baretta pellet gun. Even close up it's indistinguishable from the firearm version.
202 posted on 01/15/2006 3:21:03 PM PST by aligncare (Watergate killed journalism)
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To: Steamburg; Larry Lucido

see what you did?


203 posted on 01/15/2006 3:21:16 PM PST by patton ("Hard Drive Cemetary" - forthcoming best seller)
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To: benjibrowder
I don't think the police ever use stun guns when they believe the perp is armed. (There are police and former-police officers here who can verify/discredit that.) As for the police wearing body armor; the perp can take head shots just as well as police can.

Furthermore; even if certain that the gun was a toy the last time he was seen how would they know he hadn't acquired a real one by the time they cornered him in the bathroom? The kids who did the Columbine shooting came with backpacks full of weapons and had bombs stashed ahead of time. This kid could have cached something in the bathroom forseeing it as his retreat position.

It's a tragedy for all. Especially the cop who had to kill him.

204 posted on 01/15/2006 3:21:41 PM PST by TigersEye (All Americans should be armed and dangerous!)
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To: jocon307

Not to mention that a pellet gun is more a 'real' gun than a 'toy' gun. You can kill someone at close range with a pellet gun. A pellet is .177 calibre much larger than a BB....


205 posted on 01/15/2006 3:21:55 PM PST by AmericanDave (More COWBELL....................)
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To: Dustbunny

They will have a tough time with a lawsuit. Police procedure is very clear in instances like this, the lives of students and officers were in danger and the police had no absolute way of knowing. It is for cases like this that these procedures are designed. The other thing that this boy's lawyer and family seem to be overlooking is the fact that regardless of anything else, he was in the act of committing multiple felonies.


206 posted on 01/15/2006 3:23:17 PM PST by wagglebee ("We are ready for the greatest achievements in the history of freedom." -- President Bush, 1/20/05)
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To: benjibrowder

The Beretta trademark is the only tell. (Kinda hard to see when the bad guy has his hand wrapped around it and is posturing to shoot you!)

The original article also claims you can tell them apart upon sight due to the shinny plastic finish, but anyone with any firearm savy knows that there are multitudes of different finishes from parkerizing to teflon.


207 posted on 01/15/2006 3:23:51 PM PST by Delta 21 (MKC USCG-ret)
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To: LibertarianCandidate
Not so. Longwood isn't really a small town, and the county Sheriffs were involved. These guys are no way trigger happy Barney Fifes. Seminole County and Orange County make up the majority of the metropolitan Orlando area. It's like one big city for miles and miles. With a major international airport nearby and being a major international tourist destination, these guys get a lot of training. This is no Mayberry.

I think more information needs to come out, but the child brought a realistic-looking gun to school, pointed it at a student and eventually at a deputy. Deputies pleaded with him to drop it, but he refused. Whether or not he owned a real gun isn't that relevant.

Furthermore, that deputy didn't wake up that morning and say, "Hey, I think I'd like to gun down a boy today." He got up in the morning ready to risk his life for the safety of his community. That poor man has to live with this for the rest of his life, his own self doubt as well as the accusations of total strangers.

If fingers must be pointed, try the school administration, who knew the boy was troubled when he threatened to blow up the bus the prior year. Point them at the friends and neighbors who knew he had long been bullied and suicidal. Point them at the parents, who did not recognize their son's problems or get adequate help. Point them at the young man himself, who although troubled, knew what he was doing. The deputy should never have been put in the position to have to make that terrible decision. The time to prevent this tragedy was long before he brought a gun to school.

208 posted on 01/15/2006 3:24:12 PM PST by Chanticleer (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. Lewis)
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To: Supernatural

That's BS.......


209 posted on 01/15/2006 3:24:22 PM PST by AmericanDave (More COWBELL....................)
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To: Supernatural

I heartily disagree with your attitude toward police, although I know there are some bad apples out there [as in any profession]. Maybe you should do what I do. I'm a teacher. I've learned to avoid threads that I know will be teacher-bashing threads. You might consider avoiding threads about the police-- or not, as you see fit. Keep on FReeping!


210 posted on 01/15/2006 3:24:35 PM PST by Clara Lou (A conservative is a liberal who has been mugged by reality. --I. Kristol)
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To: paul51

Well said. You are exactly right. But, against emotionalism, even sound logic won't change minds.


211 posted on 01/15/2006 3:24:40 PM PST by aligncare (Watergate killed journalism)
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To: DJ MacWoW
The gun was a pellet gun.

By the time the father arrived at the school, his son had already been shot.

212 posted on 01/15/2006 3:25:23 PM PST by Chanticleer (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. Lewis)
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To: Contra

Another point is the hostage. At that very close range many pellet guns are lethal. The little slime ball could ave easily killed or permanently injured the totally innnocent hostage. The cop's prompt action saved the hostage.


213 posted on 01/15/2006 3:25:32 PM PST by libstripper
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To: Clara Lou

Thanks you for your advice. It is good advice and I'll certainly consider it.


214 posted on 01/15/2006 3:27:16 PM PST by Supernatural (All the truth in the world adds up to one big lie! bob dylan)
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To: libstripper
The little slime ball could ave easily killed or permanently injured the totally innnocent hostage. The cop's prompt action saved the hostage.
There was a hostage at the time of the shooting? I thought they had him held up alone in a bathroom?
215 posted on 01/15/2006 3:27:24 PM PST by benjibrowder (The government (at all levels) should not be involved in the education business.)
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To: Chanticleer

Thanks for the info. I can't find whatever it was that I read so I probably remember incorrectly. Thanks again!


216 posted on 01/15/2006 3:27:38 PM PST by DJ MacWoW (If you think you know what's coming next....You don't know Jack.)
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To: DakotaRed
One has to ask, if the Dad KNEW it was a pellet gun, why did he allow the kid to take it to school?

Exactly. Perhaps a countersuit is in order.

217 posted on 01/15/2006 3:28:04 PM PST by sandlady
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To: Clara Lou

Bingo! I live in the immediate area of Longwood, FL. News reports have indicated that the poor kid was severely emotionally disturbed. Apparently, last year, he got into a scuffle with another kid and threatened to blow up the school bus that the kid was riding on. This (and perhaps other troubles) prompted his removal from the public school and placement in a regional school for troubled kids. Kid was deemed "OK" to return to the general public school population and, according to reports, was only back in school for a couple of weeks before this - his last - troubled incident.


218 posted on 01/15/2006 3:28:45 PM PST by newvista
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To: Supernatural

Somebody is going to have many sleepless nights from his conscience!


219 posted on 01/15/2006 3:29:29 PM PST by Doctor Don
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To: TigersEye

You have to understand that not every swinging baton on the street gets into SWAT work. Those guys are psychologically evaluated to keep the killer mentalities out of the group. They do however have an emotional switch, the same as a sniper. The admins do not want killers returning to the street.

SWAT team members do what they have to do then they go on and go home to their families. They do not let it stress them. That is why they are called the SPECIAL WEAPONS AND TACTICS Team, or SWAT for short. They are not to be messed with. They are not the county department of social services. They do the dirty jobs that no one else is trained to do.


220 posted on 01/15/2006 3:29:41 PM PST by Concho
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