[SaveTheChief]

Believe me, the problem goes way beyond those two

Of course they do. I didn't go into any detail before, but my point is that a population must have some serious social dysfunction if it continually elects near-socialists to office year after year, especially when problems show no sign of improvement.

[tflabo]

Maybe some deleterious effects have to be felt by large # of brain-dead voters if they are to rid themselves of liberal diseased social effects and it's govt. promoters.