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To: CarolinaGuitarman
I understand the implications of what I wrote;

Either you don't understand the implications of what you wrote, or you do. Either way, you come out looking bad.

why don't you actually say something and tell me what YOU think they are.

Hmmmmm. Let's see. You continue to harp on the idea that Hitler was a theist. You've been reminded many times that Hitler was insane (on which point you parse in a most Clintonian manner), and that his views cannot be taken as representative of theistic thought.

And yet you continue to harp on this. I think you're tarring theistic thought in general on the basis of your belief that Hitler was theistic.

To get a better idea of his views, let's post again the quote from Mein Kampf, which perhaps you missed:

"Man must not fall into the error of thinking that he was ever meant to become lord and master of Nature. A lopsided education has helped to encourage that illusion. Man must realize that a fundamental law of necessity reigns throughout the whole realm of Nature and that his existence is subject to the law of eternal struggle and strife. He will then feel that there cannot be a separate law for mankind in a world in which planets and suns follow their orbits, where moons and planets trace their destined paths, where the strong are always the masters of the weak and where those subject to such laws must obey them or be destroyed. Man must also submit to the eternal principles of this supreme wisdom. He may try to understand them but he can never free himself from their sway." -- Adolf Hitler

This was probably the sanest statement of his worldview -- written before his quack doctor started shooting him full of crap. No theism here, but a pretty good summary of Nazism in practice, and it's pretty Darwinian.

123 posted on 01/09/2006 7:45:08 AM PST by r9etb
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To: r9etb
" Hmmmmm. Let's see. You continue to harp on the idea that Hitler was a theist."

He was.

"You've been reminded many times that Hitler was insane (on which point you parse in a most Clintonian manner), and that his views cannot be taken as representative of theistic thought."

If he was insane, that means he didn't know the consequences of his actions. It's a legal term, not a medical one. I think he knew damn well what he was doing. He was evil, not insane. And I NEVER said his views were representative of theistic thought; I said the OPPOSITE.

"And yet you continue to harp on this. I think you're tarring theistic thought in general on the basis of your belief that Hitler was theistic."

I think you are willfully ignoring what I posted so you can knock down a strawman. I specifically said his views were not like 99% of theists.

"This was probably the sanest statement of his worldview -- written before his quack doctor started shooting him full of crap. No theism here, but a pretty good summary of Nazism in practice, and it's pretty Darwinian."

1) In Mein Kampf he time and time again states that the Aryan Race is the creation of God. Your quote does NOTHING to argue against that. You think that using a quote that happens not to mention God negates all the ones he did? THAT'S Clintonian.

2) There is NOTHING Darwinian about that quote. The idea of a struggle in nature predates Darwin and predates evolution. It is a fact of nature. The idea of competition for resources was also one of the foundations of capitalism.
124 posted on 01/09/2006 7:56:03 AM PST by CarolinaGuitarman ("There is grandeur in this view of life...")
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